Thread: Economist: Bilderberg is Real

Originally Posted by PETA

Nyet comrade

My Russian Studies prof only made us read a chapter of the Manifesto and even less of Das Kapital. He figured that greater demands would result in revolt of the proletariate and his had in a basket next to Marie Antionette's



They're not. Unless you think the misery imposed on billions of people as a result of those absurd and fantastic (in the sense of fantasy) ideas is intersting. Both books are horribly boring piles of crap and no one should be tasked to read it.

and yes... eventually had to read most of not all of both.... didn't even try to sell the books at semester's end. Put them in the outhouse at the farm for toilet paper.

its funny how the people up to the 90s really were upset/scared about communism/socialism/marxism. red dawn and rambo really did a number on you guys.

Originally Posted by PETA

Nyet comrade

My Russian Studies prof only made us read a chapter of the Manifesto and even less of Das Kapital. He figured that greater demands would result in revolt of the proletariate and his had in a basket next to Marie Antionette's



They're not. Unless you think the misery imposed on billions of people as a result of those absurd and fantastic (in the sense of fantasy) ideas is intersting. Both books are horribly boring piles of crap and no one should be tasked to read it.

and yes... eventually had to read most of not all of both.... didn't even try to sell the books at semester's end. Put them in the outhouse at the farm for toilet paper.

you're attaching the insanity of stalin and lenin to those ideas. i'm talking about it from a purely philosophical standpoint.

Originally Posted by vinnie97

That a way, be a good serf. That is just the response they are gunning for. No, there's no jealousy, I wouldn't want that kind of responsibility (people's livelihood and lives).

Fuck you, serf my ass. What the fuck do you do for a living, besides look up non-sense conspiracy theories and copy/paste them on DDM?

You're last sentence I quoted says it all, you don't want that kind of responsibility. So you're admitting that SOMEONE has that responsibility? Pretty much makes your whole argument MOOT you fuckass.

I'm sorry if I was a multi-billionaire or person of prestige/power with my company/organization/COUNTRY on the line, I'd want to know what my peers are thinking/doing, which is exactly what these meetings sounds like.

Are you suffering because of the decisions they're making or topics they're discussing? I didn't think so.

When it involves POLITICIANS meeting in SECRET with multinational corps, I have a problem, "fuckass." I must have hit a chord with that bit of vitriol you unleashed. Multinational corps should not be parading around behind closed doors with representatives we supposedly elect to represent us. Everything should be out on the table. I know your hero usurper gave up on transparency but why should the rest of us? And yes, much of the middle class is reeling from practices they oversaw (Isn't it interesting how the US and great swaths of Europe are all in financial crises? These are the same power mongers who own the FED with the Rothschild family having the largest share). This very article mentions how one attendee warned of the looming crisis in 2007 but the leadership shrugged it off, the same way Barnie Frank was proclaiming the good health of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to certain committees the same year.

Originally Posted by J. Fees

its funny how the people up to the 90s really were upset/scared about communism/socialism/marxism. red dawn and rambo really did a number on you guys.

No the Cuban Missile Crisis, Korean War, the Iron Curtain, Prague Summer, Violence in Hungary, Viet Nam, various revolutions in Africa, Yemen, Pol Pot, revolutions in Central America and a shit ton of nuclear weapons, etc did. In the late 70s through late 80s the Soviet had rolled up a long string of wins and we were not optimistic. See Carter's Great Malaise speech. I know, we were quaint rubes.

Anyway, the Soviets going into Afganistan and our eventual support with hand launched surface to air missiles took out the Soviet gunship advantage and it bogged them down huge and Reagan put our economies into direct competition. Obviously not that simply but those were two very important catalysts that pushed the Soviets over the edge.

Interesting point... Reagan and Gorbachev... and Reagan usig the phrase "evil empire." Can't recall which advisor told Reagan to chill because Gorbachev was a man that we could work with. Reagan stopped using it and the two men helped end the cold war (again, obviously over simplified but without them agreeing to work to that end it wouldn't have happened).

Originally Posted by -m-

you're attaching the insanity of stalin and lenin to those ideas. i'm talking about it from a purely philosophical standpoint.

The only way you can speak of communism without condemning it is in a purely philosophical standpoint. Every regime to employ communism has been despotic. The communist regimes killed around one hundred million of their own people in the twentieth century.

To the inevitable, "that wasn't really communism" response... but they are the only examples we have and the results are consistent. When the recipe yields a shit sandwhich time after time it is reasonable to think the recipe sucks.

Originally Posted by PETA

The only way you can speak of communism without condemning it is in a purely philosophical standpoint. Every regime to employ communism has been despotic. The communist regimes killed around one hundred million of their own people in the twentieth century.

To the inevitable, "that wasn't really communism" response... but they are the only examples we have and the results are consistent. When the recipe yields a shit sandwhich time after time it is reasonable to think the recipe sucks.

this one time, i didn't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Originally Posted by -m-

this one time, i didn't throw the baby out with the bath water.

well, this is one time you sure should have....

like I said, when the recipe makes a shit sandwhich everytime you have a recipe for a shit sandwhich

There is nothing that is practically defensible about communism. It exists as a curiosity and an example of horrific failure and nothing else.

“Wage-leveling has a destructive impact not only on the economy but also on people’s morality, and their entire way of thinking and acting. It diminishes the prestige of conscientious, creative labor, weakens discipline, destroys interest in improving skills, and is detrimental to the competitive spirit in work. We must say bluntly that wage-leveling is a reflection of petty bourgeois views which have nothing in common with Marxism-Leninism or scientific socialism.” Mikhail Gorbachev to the Central Committee in 1988

Gorbachev understood that the recipe was for shit sandwhiches. When I lived there just prior to the collapse it was immediately apparent... shit sandwhich.