Thread: The Nativity Questions Remain

Aww you can copy and paste articles, I'm so proud.

Good for you, vote for someone else next election and give it a rest.

He's been in there over 2 years. You think anyone would want a non-US citizen in office?(ok I'm sure some would.) I'm sure with any other job here in the US, there was some form of verification on this shit. If it passed their standards, who the fuck cares. Our economy would be in the shitter no matter who was elected, it's not Obamas fault. What point are you trying to make here?
What are you trying to accomplish?

All it needs is some rainbow coloring and we have Alvin back in here.

I'm voting for Obama just to piss off Vinnie.

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I like to think of myself as a girther.

Originally Posted by Ash

I like to think of myself as a girther.

Where is the long dong?

Is there a reason why you folks can't just come out and say what you mean in fewer words?

"I will never accept a spook as my president."

It would be a lot easier for you all to chant than all that bullshit you copied.

lulz

Cfer, I don't know, how about constitutional eligibility to even hold the office?

To Adam, that makes you a fucking racist as well for spouting the false accusation against "whitey" for daring to give a shit about the sordid past of a usurping liar-in-chief. I would vote for an Alan Keyes, Herman Cain or Allan West before I ever voted for a Commie that we have in office now. HOW DOES THAT COMPUTE IN YOUR RACE-BAITING LIB-INFESTED POLITICALLY CORRECT MIND? Oh OH OH, I know, they're all uncle Toms and will vote with whitey to keep black man down because we're still living in the 60s and prior. Keep ignoring his history and pretending it doesn't matter. I guess DONALD TRUMP IS A FUCKING RACIST, TOO.

Here's all O'Commie has to release to quell the issue because, if you haven't noticed, it's not going away:



This form gives the name, age, address, race and description of the occupation of the father. It does NOT give the religion. It gives the name, age, address, race, occupation outside of the home and last date worked of the mother.

Interestingly, IT DOES NOT LIST THE RACE OF THE CHILD. Look for yourself. There is no field at the top for race of the baby.

So, given this, there are several things we can logically conclude:

1. The word "muslim" does not appear on Obama's BC assuming he was in fact born in Honolulu in August of 1961, because these certificates make no mention of religion at all. So that can't be the big secret.

2. Obama himself cannot be listed as either "caucasian" or "arab" because there is no field on the certificate for the race of the child. So that can't be the big secret, either, assuming Obama even has a Hawaii BC.

3. I doubt that the father's field would say either "Frank Marshall Davis" or "Unknown" because the baby was named "Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.". If you're going to go to the lengths of naming a baby "Jr.", then there is no reason not to list "Sr." as the daddy - even if that is a lie. If you name the kid "Jr.", you're in for a penny, in for a pound. Again, this assumes Barry actually has a Hawaii BC.

So where does this leave us?

A. There is no Hawaii birth certificate because he wasn't born in Hawaii. Ann Dunham was present and enrolled at the University of Washington TWO WEEKS after Obama's alleged birth date. He could have been born just across the border in Canada, and then Granny Dunham registered his birth with the state of Hawaii, thus automatically generating the newspaper announcement. This would have been done to fraudulently obtain citizenship for Barry.

B. He could have been born months earlier. Given that Ann picked up, flew across the Pacific, enrolled and began attending classes at UW all before August 20, 1961, it seems a bit much to think that she did all this at the age of 18 with a tiny newborn baby.

C. Obama could have indeed been born in Kenya, and Granny Dunham submitted a false certificate of home birth to get him US citizenship, again, thus automatically generating the newspaper birth announcement.

D. When Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia, his original BC was altered to reflect the new name "Barry Soetoro" with Lolo listed as the father. If this is the case, Obama MUST be a dual citizen of Indonesia, because Indonesia required citizenship of adopted children. Also, unless Obama legally had his named changed back to "Barack Obama", his name today legally remains "Barry Soetoro". This would nullify every document he has signed. If you don't believe me, try signing this year's tax return with the name "Peaches McAwesome" and see if you don't get a visit from the IRS. Finally, and I think this is the monster issue, unless Barry formally rescinded his Indonesian citizenship upon reaching the age of majority, he is AT BEST a dual citizen of the US and Indonesia. If he presented himself as an Indonesian citizen after the age of 18 either to acquire college scholarships OR traveling under an Indonesian passport after the age of 18, then there is no way in God's Green Earth that he can be the President of the United States. No person who has EVER, under any circumstance, claimed citizenship to any country other than the United States as an adult be eligible for the Presidency. That's just common sense. The LEGAL standard per the Constitution is far, far more stringent than that. I realize that. I'm just talking about common sense. This is a no-brainer. Obama is a completely illegal usurper, a con artist, a liar, and he MUST be removed, not by impeachment, but by law enforcement. Impeachment only applies to legitimate sitting Presidents. Obama is neither legitimate, nor the President. He is a hostile invader and the enemy of this nation, its people and its Constitution. Barack and Michelle Obama SHOULD spend the rest of their lives being supported and secured by the tax dollars of the people of the United States of America . . . in lovely Florence, Colorado.

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Keeping carrying the water for this fraud.

Originally Posted by vinnie97

To Adam, that makes you a fucking racist as well for spouting the false accusation against "whitey" for daring to give a shit about the sordid past of a usurping liar-in-chief.

No, I intimated it is a racist charge because, well there are a lot of racist undertones to the things the birthers (what a stupid name) say. See below.

I would vote for an Alan Keyes, Herman Cain or Allan West before I ever voted for a Commie that we have in office now. HOW DOES THAT COMPUTE IN YOUR RACE-BAITING LIB-INFESTED POLITICALLY CORRECT MIND? Oh OH OH, I know, they're all uncle Toms and will vote with whitey to keep black man down because we're still living in the 60s and prior. Keep ignoring his history and pretending it doesn't matter. I guess DONALD TRUMP IS A FUCKING RACIST, TOO.

I don't know if Trump is a racist. He might be. He might not be. His hair is atrocious and his recent political banter has been ridiculous at best.

Aside from pointing out that minorities still suffer compared to white people in the 2010s, it's easy to say you would vote for those people. It's another thing to do it. Even if you are prepared to do so, and really would, again the language of the tea party/birthers suggests maybe you are not in the company of many others who would.

Here's all O'Commie has to release to quell the issue because, if you haven't noticed, it's not going away:



This form gives the name, age, address, race and description of the occupation of the father. It does NOT give the religion. It gives the name, age, address, race, occupation outside of the home and last date worked of the mother.

Interestingly, IT DOES NOT LIST THE RACE OF THE CHILD. Look for yourself. There is no field at the top for race of the baby.

Can you find a similar form from the same time period in Hawaii that is like this that does have either the religion or race field? If so, can you disprove that this form was NOT a form used by the state at this time? That would be evidence that the birth certificate produced by Obama is not real.

I don't know if Obama or his family has a copy of the original birth certificate. I only have a certified copy myself. Maybe he doesn't and that is why what he produced is also a certified copy from the state, which does, by the way, state his race.

Further, why would it matter if it listed him as "Muslim"? Does a newborn really have a religious belief? It seems to me back in 2008 the concern was about his Protestant minister, not that he kicked it with Allah.

So, given this, there are several things we can logically conclude:

1. The word "muslim" does not appear on Obama's BC assuming he was in fact born in Honolulu in August of 1961, because these certificates make no mention of religion at all. So that can't be the big secret.

Well again, see above, can you disprove this form was validly used/accepted by the state at this time?

2. Obama himself cannot be listed as either "caucasian" or "arab" because there is no field on the certificate for the race of the child. So that can't be the big secret, either, assuming Obama even has a Hawaii BC.

Well he might not be arab...

What do you mean "assuming Obama even has a Hawaii BC"? It is on the internet.

3. I doubt that the father's field would say either "Frank Marshall Davis" or "Unknown" because the baby was named "Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.". If you're going to go to the lengths of naming a baby "Jr.", then there is no reason not to list "Sr." as the daddy - even if that is a lie. If you name the kid "Jr.", you're in for a penny, in for a pound. Again, this assumes Barry actually has a Hawaii BC.

Doubt does not equal logical conclusion. If the father was not present the mother cannot be forced to disclose who it is. We can speculate why she may have said whatever she said but it would only be speculation.

So where does this leave us?

A. There is no Hawaii birth certificate because he wasn't born in Hawaii. Ann Dunham was present and enrolled at the University of Washington TWO WEEKS after Obama's alleged birth date. He could have been born just across the border in Canada, and then Granny Dunham registered his birth with the state of Hawaii, thus automatically generating the newspaper announcement. This would have been done to fraudulently obtain citizenship for Barry.

...but there is a Hawaii BC. Both the governor and head of the Dept. of Health viewed and confirmed the certificate is present and is his birth certificate. They are Republicans. Why would they lie?

That there is a Hawaii birth certificate is the evidence of citizenship. You cannot invalidate a birth certificate with speculation.

B. He could have been born months earlier. Given that Ann picked up, flew across the Pacific, enrolled and began attending classes at UW all before August 20, 1961, it seems a bit much to think that she did all this at the age of 18 with a tiny newborn baby.

Again, you cannot invalidate a certificate with speculation.

C. Obama could have indeed been born in Kenya, and Granny Dunham submitted a false certificate of home birth to get him US citizenship, again, thus automatically generating the newspaper birth announcement.

Again...

D. When Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia, his original BC was altered to reflect the new name "Barry Soetoro" with Lolo listed as the father. If this is the case, Obama MUST be a dual citizen of Indonesia, because Indonesia required citizenship of adopted children. Also, unless Obama legally had his named changed back to "Barack Obama", his name today legally remains "Barry Soetoro". This would nullify every document he has signed.

Wait...does he have a Hawaii birth certificate or not? He must have had one for it to be altered. When I look at the version Obama produced -- which is available online -- it still shows his name as Obama. Obama has a passport. To get a passport, you must show proof of citizenship. If he produced this birth certificate, it had to have been validated by the state department. Either the state department does not know how what a valid birth certificate looks like or whoever the guy was checking the certificate was in on the scam.

Plus, who cares what his last name is. I get your point about fraud, but really, it's just a name. It's not like he has done himself any favors with Barack Hussein Obama.

If you don't believe me, try signing this year's tax return with the name "Peaches McAwesome" and see if you don't get a visit from the IRS. Finally, and I think this is the monster issue, unless Barry formally rescinded his Indonesian citizenship upon reaching the age of majority, he is AT BEST a dual citizen of the US and Indonesia.

Actually you can sign whatever you want. A signature, regardless of what it says, is a representation of you if you attest that it is you.

If he presented himself as an Indonesian citizen after the age of 18 either to acquire college scholarships OR traveling under an Indonesian passport after the age of 18, then there is no way in God's Green Earth that he can be the President of the United States. No person who has EVER, under any circumstance, claimed citizenship to any country other than the United States as an adult be eligible for the Presidency. That's just common sense. The LEGAL standard per the Constitution is far, far more stringent than that. I realize that. I'm just talking about common sense. This is a no-brainer.

Wait, what? The Constitution requires the president to be a native citizen. It does not speak to dual citizenship.

Obama is a completely illegal usurper, a con artist, a liar, and he MUST be removed, not by impeachment, but by law enforcement. Impeachment only applies to legitimate sitting Presidents. Obama is neither legitimate, nor the President. He is a hostile invader and the enemy of this nation, its people and its Constitution. Barack and Michelle Obama SHOULD spend the rest of their lives being supported and secured by the tax dollars of the people of the United States of America . . . in lovely Florence, Colorado.

LOL come on. At a minimum his birth certificate has been validated by the state he claims his citizenship arises from. That's it. As a matter of law, he is a natural born citizen of the United States. Even if you believe the version online is a fraud, even if you believe he was born in another country and snuck in, even if you think his real name is Shitty McAsshole XXXII, even if you think he is a Communist...as a matter of law, he is a natural born citizen.

There are plenty of very valid reasons to want his presidency to end in 2012. Why not focus your efforts into tossing him out of the White House instead of spreading around nonsense that alleviates the tea party of respect?

P.S. Kill Whitey.

A few points:

Well, that's much better than shouting RACIST, bravo. The race card is getting old....when there is obfuscation and an attempt to circumvent simple questions, people start getting nervous, especially when it's the elected occupier of the WH.

And actually, no, the HI Dept. of Health NEVER publicly authenticated what was released by the Obama campaign and only ever released to DailyKOS and Factcheck (really, who has seen the physical copy otherwise?).

Here's what the Director of the HDOH had to say in a press release on the matter:

There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

That in no logical way corroborates what his campaign released to the public by way of the Internet. That's an admittance that "something" is on file, but is not a direct authentication of the sole document released to the web. At best, you could derive an indirect reference to it.

It is not even in the purview of HI state law to do such (authenticate birth records):

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

State law prohibits the DOH from disclosing any vital statistics records or information contained in such records unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record, or as otherwise allowed by statute or administrative rule. See HRS §338-18. Direct and tangible interest is determined by HRS §338-18(b).

And you know a member of the press would hardly be considered to have a "direct and tangible interest."

Now yes, Trump might be pandering to get a nod for the GOP nomination, but it would also be downright SLANDEROUS for him to continue down his current accusatory path if he truly has nothing.

Another point: The constitution goes beyond requiring that merely a US "citizen" is eligible to run for Presidency but that only a natural-born citizen (or a citizen at the time of the constitution's adoption) be eligible:

Article II, Section 1

“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”

In terms of what an NBC is, the Supreme Court defined it 6 times to mean a citizen born in US territory with parents themselves who are citizens, which corresponds with the Founders' intent (they knew better than anyone what having a potential fox guarding the hen house could mean for the country, aka having a British subject elected to the Presidency). This also naturally corresponds with Natural Law and Vattel's definition in "Law of Nations."

► 1814 The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J., concurring) (cites Vattel‟s definition of natural born citizens);

► 1830 Shanks vs. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel);

► 1875 Minor vs. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875) (same definition without citing Vattel);

► 1879 Ex parte Reynolds, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel);

► 1890 United States vs. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel);

► 1898 U.S. vs. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) (same definition and C.J, Fuller‟s dissent confirming Vattel‟s definition of a “natural born Citizen” );

John Bingham, architect of the 14th Amendment, corroborated this definition as well.

Regarding the validity of the COLB that Barrack & co released, this lays out the evolving nature of said image and evidence of tampering:

http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibi...thDocument.htm

adam d, thanks for coming back, on the reals. you'll have fun with this fool.

Originally Posted by -m-

adam d, thanks for coming back, on the reals. you'll have fun with this fool.

lol I don't know how long I can stay entertained by pointing out to somebody his arguments defeat themselves.