You started the thread. I was just relaying info I read. I'm not doing your homework for you.Originally Posted by erniebanks
jęsun
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time" ~ Thomas Jefferson
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I'm just not good at looking up this kind of thing online. I have tried numerous sources, even asked my online gf to do it, but she hit a backdoor and got baselined. Any ideas of which states are more economically sound and if if party has anything to do with it. Just trying to connect the dots.
From all the cute & smart ass people on DDM you can tell people on this forum did not grow up poor. Mostly white and from the suburbs. If you are a minority in in the South though you probably don't have it better off. The liberal states have unions and that sort of thing. Conservatives like dirt cheap labor.
Fuck you with all that noise. I'd say a majority of DDM grew up poor. Including myself. And fuck all your racist bullshit talk too. I'm white and I didn't have shit until after I dropped out of highschool and started working for myself. Ask anyone who knows me personally. And guess what? I've made quite well for myself over the past 10+ years. And I don't have college or even a highschool diploma. All I have is a GED and the courage and willpower to create my own success. So quit your bitching already and do something for yourself.
No one feels sorry for you. You know why? Because you've already given up. You have already set in your mind that you are the victim and that's all you'll ever be. Want a better life for yourself and better opportunities? Make them for yourself and stop playing your victim shit "oh woh is me! My skin is dark and I'm poor so I'll never amount to anything because the pale people don't want me to." Fuck all that. Be a man and make well for yourself. I don't know a single person who would EVER let their race, ethnicity, or nationality stand in their way when it came to making something of themselves. But I don't hang out with whiny quitters either.
But since you're just too fucking cool for us... you know, being poor and not white... I guess you need to take your shit to another liberal union driven state with all of those great jobs you're looking for. Try Wisconsin or Michigan. Ask the people who live there how great the unions are and what they've done for them. Shit man, ask the employees here at Bell Helicopter how well the union has fucked... I mean "helped" them.
Last edited by jaesun; 11-27-11 at 11:17 AM.
jęsun
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time" ~ Thomas Jefferson
Read it!!! --> http://obtuseobserver.com/
Jaesun I grew up in Dallas and it's a pussy conservative city. White kids from the burbs on E. People like you make Dallas look bad. My advice to DDMers is put Dallas on the map. Throw your house music or flavor of the week in the garbage and create a Dallas sound.
Look, I'm not talking about jobs in Dallas. I'm addressing how you are pretty much saying the reason why you aren't in the position you want to be in is because of someone else. AND how you somehow feel you are better than the rest of us because you are poor and not white.
All I'm saying is anyone can make anything of themselves if they put forth the effort and stop making excuses. No one is holding you down but yourself. Are there social injustices? Yes. Are they as widespread as they were in the 50s, 60s, 70s, or 80's even? Hell I'd say there is less racism now than there was 10 years ago!
I don't normally make this well known (because it really doesn't matter now... and it sounds like some fucking sob story) but I didn't finish school. And it was mostly due to me having dyslexia and an overall attitude not unlike yours today. I grew up in south Irving in a little tiny house that we ended up losing some years back. My mother raised four boys (two with dyslexia) on her own working a crap job in the telecom industry making less than I am now. For a little while there we were even eating food given to us by churches because we (somehow) didn't qualify for gov assistance. On top of that my brothers and I weren't exactly the best behaved children on the block. How we ended up still alive and without extensive criminal records is beyond me.
I too used to curse the rich and carry a hatred for those who had more than me. I'll even admit this... it was because I wanted what they had. But I still worked hard and tried my best to overcome what I considered unjust circumstances that were holding me down.
After high school I started off working in music stores, restaurants, and mail rooms. I was even known for working some less than legal job opportunities other the years. But that's a discussion for another day.
I pushed forward I found that I kept climbing, kept learning new skills, kept making myself more valuable, and kept landing better jobs because of it. But most of all I learned that no matter how hard something is and no matter what obstacles were in my way... I COULD accomplish my goals. As long as I stopped playing the victim, blaming others, and cursing everyone else I was free to focus on building myself up. Its also part of the reason why I am now what most people would consider a Conservative. I believe hard work and independence is good for people.
Now I'm a clinical IT consultant for hospitals all across the nation and doing quite well for myself. I have a family, a house, and I'm even able to cover (most of the) medical expenses for my mother who is now being treated for stage one melanoma on her face, neck, and arms.
Do you think growing up we blamed others for how hard it was? Did my mother blame others when she was laid off for no reason after almost 20 years of loyalty to the company? Even when my mom lost the house she knew she'd just start over and try again no matter how hard it was.
We sucked it up and moved forward. My mother earned her masters that took her 20+ years to finish and became a teacher for children with learning disorders. I took a few community college courses on software and IT and was able to gain enough work experience over the years to land me where I am today. My brothers both have decent jobs working as mechanics and have families of their own who are well taken care of. We were all able accept our situation and we all worked hard to rise above the BS and do what needed to be done.
So to hear you whining and bitching about how you are somehow a victim because you were poor or your skin color was keeping you from being successful is just bullshit.
Can I say being white helped me? Honestly, I can't say either way. But I doubt it. Because most of my bosses over the years have been Black and Hispanic. By your view point I should have been the boss. Right? Am I reading too much into it? I also found that my wife (who is Mexican) was able to receive more money than me for her student loans because she marked Hispanic on her application. According to one social worker, the reason why my mother didn't qualify for gov assistance was because she wasn't a part of a recognized minority group. So by those examples being white didn't help at all.
Anyway... I have gone on WAY too long and I have errands to run. We can continue the discussion later if you want. I'll tune back in later.
jęsun
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time" ~ Thomas Jefferson
Read it!!! --> http://obtuseobserver.com/
Who said I was Black or complaining about the position I'm in. I live in NYC. I'm just saying the guy that's mopping floors or taking out the trash will make more than he'll ever make in the South. IT is not a bad job if you live in Dallas but try working for a temp service in a Warehouse. Youll wish you were part of a union. I once worked in a factory in Texas where people lost fingers. They talked one person who got hurt to go back to work only to fire them. That's why there are unions even though a union isnt perfect.
Never said you where. I have no idea what you are and I don't really care... but I could guess you are not white since you've carried a kind of racial supremacy about it.
Is a union the answer or should you be looking to report the bad working conditions? Sounds like they are violating federal labor laws. Why do you need a union to report them? You can do it yourself anonymously you know. OSHA's Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 gives employees the right to file complaints about workplace safety and health hazards and to have their anonymity protected. Google that or United States Department of Labor. who knows, you could save a life... or at very least some fingers.
jęsun
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time" ~ Thomas Jefferson
Read it!!! --> http://obtuseobserver.com/
Jaesun, I disagree with you. People are a product (in most cases) of the environment they grow up in. Some people are traditionally more disadvantaged and that's still the case today. Just go to a bad neighborhood. It's not as simple as saying it just takes a little effort to succeed. Some people escape that vicious cycle and do well but others are not as fortunate.
Ha! It's not that simple. People are pressured to produce at the risk of injury or they are out of a job. A factory may be the only game in town in certain areas. You can thank labor Unions for OSHA and greater safety standards.
Man, I hate to sound harsh and keep going on about this but... AGAIN... with everything you just said above... You are laying down and accepting that a crappy lot in life is something you have no control over and everyone just needs to take it as it is because no one can make a difference or change things. More excuses and giving up before you've even began.
You are telling me that no one can do better for themselves because they live in a bad environment? And because traditionally a certain group of people have faced disadvantages they stand no chance of changing that in the future? I don't believe that for one minute.
If you feel that you can't make a difference in your own life or that no one who is currently poor can't one day be successful.... that's your problem and I have little sympathy for you and others who think the way you do. Because you've all given up already. Before even making an effort to do better for yourself you've decided you just can't and accepted that you'll always be were you are now and you'll stay there.
IT IS as simple as making a solid effort to succeed. Without sounding cliche... willpower and desire, when properly combined, make an unstoppable pair. You may fail time and time again and I can PROMISE you... you will. It is needless to say, we all have failed multiple times and will again and again in the future, but as long as you keep making a strong effort and refusing to stop you WILL SUCCEED. You think anyone who is/was successful hasn't failed before or lived through hard times? I'd go as far as saying that it was their failure and the hard times they lived in that pushed them into their successes more than anything else.
If this is the case than report the unsafe working conditions. If a factory is the only gig in town do what you can to move. Hundreds of thousands of immigrants come to this country to do just that!! Some even risking their lives to come here, legally or not. (We can get into the pros and cons of legal and illegal immigration later if you'd like... but I think I'd be a topic deserving its own thread)
I know people from Mexico, Russia, Europe, the Middle East, African countries, etc. who left family behind and gave up just about everything they knew in their lives to come here and rise above all of the injustices and disadvantages they suffered in their home countries. Most of them work as Nurses and Physicians in the hospitals I support. Imagine that! Poor people coming here from piss poor countries tens of thousands of miles away and making a damn good living as MDs and RNs. I wonder what moving to another city a couple hundred miles away might do for us lucky enough to be born here.
Yes, unions have make better working conditions in most situations. I'm not saying unions are all bad. But for many years now their main focus has been on sending lobbyists to DC and pushing to receive more and more and more for doing less, less, less. May of them forcefully demand over the top and fiscally unobtainable special privileges from employers who may not even be able to afford them. Including examples like being able to opt out of having to pay for the new healthcare law yet recive all of the benefits from it. But they don't seem to care about that and keep demanding more anyway. They say its whats "fair". They say they are doing it for worker's rights. They want their demands met even if it means breaking the company they work for into crumbles. Is that really fair at all? Is it better to have a multitude of comforts over a secure job? That's what unions have become over the years. Pitting employee against employer using class warfare and exaggerated rhetoric to rally large groups of people to demand more and more for doing less and less. Company be damned!
Have you noticed how union groups talk like its still 1930 and they are swinging pick axes in coal mines without water or flashlights? Even when they work desk jobs and answer phones at companies like Verizon?
What about teachers unions? How many stories over the years must we read about poorly performing teachers keeping their jobs over better performing teachers simply because they have tenure?
How about the postal service? You know how they promote there? Its not by merit or a job well done. Its by who has been there the longest. You could work ten times harder than the a-hole next to you but if he was hired a month before you... when an opening came up, he'd be your boss.
Anyway... in recent news...
American Airlines
http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/11...ions-will.html
Last edited by jaesun; 12-02-11 at 08:28 PM.
jęsun
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time" ~ Thomas Jefferson
Read it!!! --> http://obtuseobserver.com/
I'll tell you what the conservatives don't. In order for someone to make millions if not billions in profit people have to suffer. Some poor people escape the vicious cycle but most are a product of their environment.
Success is relative to how happy you are in life. There are people with money that are not very happy. You need to stop being materialistic.
You may find this surprising but some people from other countries even though they make less money are happy and doing just fine but it really depends on the individual. It all boils down to people are a product of their environment. A kid who grows up in a rough urban environment in a broken home probably will not turn out that well. Yes, technically that person can move when they are legally an adult but life isn't that simple. The system is not perfect. Some people are victims and that's just something you need to accept. The American dream is just a fantasy. The reality is 3/4's of the Earth's population lives in poverty and people like you who are American are like the pigs of the world. That's reality.
It's just Billionaires and bad news these days. That should tell you something.
Well, why don't you go demanding more wealth redistribution and see how much further that gets the human race (been there, done that)?
Last edited by vinnie97; 12-18-11 at 02:54 PM. Reason: accidental grammatical omission
People, like the OWC, need to step back and say why are there Billionaires? Why do only a few people actually own energy resources just because you happen to be sitting on something that's been there longer than man? Who owns the sunlight that shines on your face or the air you breath?
Should success be rewarded with more money then a person needs while 3/4's of the population starves?
Look at Star Trek The Next Generation. Money is considered primitive. It doesn't even exist. luxurious items or having 15 cars and a house as big as a shopping mall is an insult to humanity.
Yes yes, it's time to punish the successful. The moguls have made it possible for you to sit in comfort and type at your PC as you raise your fist against them.
No no, what needs to be done is tax loopholes need to be closed and corporate lobbyists of all types need to be kicked out of the government.
Those supposed successful didn't create jobs. If they did then where are the jobs you dimwit?
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