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Old 03-17-04, 03:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Rumsfeld is a liar - here's proof

http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/

Stand proud, Republicans, this is your guy.
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Old 03-17-04, 07:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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That is fucking hilarious.
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Old 03-18-04, 07:00 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Can you even imagine what the conservative press would be doing with this had it been John Kerry who was so blatantly caught in a lie - a lie that resulted in a war? But, no mention of this by any major news source. No, it takes a "fringe" group like MoveOn to even try and reveal this to the public. And what do the conservatives on the board have to say? Absolutely nothing. Even they can't conjure up an excuse, so they'll just ignore it. The only thing sicker than this administration are the millions of apologists that follow them.

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That's a LOLY right there. He knew it too. You could see the look on his face.

LOLY!
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that is some funny shit right there...
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Old 03-18-04, 09:11 AM   #6 (permalink)
 
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shitty thing is...I think most of the poeple who supported this war don't even care...how many lies we were told...Saddam is out and thats a good thing right....

wrong...this is vigilante mob style justice...not what this great country is SUPPOSED (how to you make italics ) to be about

we cannot be allowed to act this way
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Old 03-18-04, 09:19 AM   #7 (permalink)
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...Saddam is out and thats a good thing right....
yea, im sure the lack of romance novels being written now that saddam is captured, is going to really disrupt things in the middle east...
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shitty thing is...I think most of the poeple who supported this war don't even care...how many lies we were told...Saddam is out and thats a good thing right....

wrong...this is vigilante mob style justice...not what this great country is SUPPOSED (how to you make italics ) to be about

we cannot be allowed to act this way
Indeed. This is a criminal method for initiating war. Lie as much as you want, do whatever you want to do, then tout the positive side effects of your actions. Then, when people who are not oblivious point out your underhanded methods, tell them they are un-American or that they don't care about the people of Iraq. This man is a DISGRACE to our country.
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Hussein was a problem we would've had to deal with eventually, one way or another. Setting aside the methods in which we went to war for a moment, I think that getting him out of power was a pretty big favor to the planet.

But yeah, that's fucked up. Rumsfeld is a madman for sure.


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But, no mention of this by any major news source. No, it takes a "fringe" group like MoveOn to even try and reveal this to the public. And what do the conservatives on the board have to say? Absolutely nothing. Even they can't conjure up an excuse, so they'll just ignore it. The only thing sicker than this administration are the millions of apologists that follow them.


So Face The Nation is Not a show available to the public? CBS is not a media outlet?


Here's the Full Transcript (no cropped news bytes):
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcrip...ecdef0542.html

It's an interesting read...
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So Face The Nation is Not a show available to the public? CBS is not a media outlet?


Here's the Full Transcript (no cropped news bytes):
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcrip...ecdef0542.html

It's an interesting read...
I saw the entire broadcast. It didn't get much better for Rumsfeld. Just because that was only a portion of the video does not make his lie any less real.

And yes, CBS is definitely a media outlet, but this should be paraded EVERYWHERE. Kerry made some lame comment that very well might be true about foreign leaders wanting him to beat Bush (duh), and the media pounded us with it for a week. The Secretary of Defense gets nailed right in the middle of a lie that this administration pushed upon all of us to start a freaking war, and it's a non-issue. Can you not understand how completely fucked up this is?

You all got duped, plain and simple. You can come back and make excuses, talk about the good things coming from this war, etc. But don't forget that these same lies we were told months ago by Rumsfeld and company were the same lies the war supporters were repeating to us like parots in the months preceding this war. We certainly have not forgotten that point.
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I think what's even worse is that Howard Dean can make 1 noise that's completely meaningless and the media will play it hundreds of times a day on each media outlet, but when a lie proven outright about a cause of war, that's completely overlooked. It's a compounded problem of media complicity. Kerry says something stupid, or something that wasn't polite about Republicans, and that's huge news.

Meaningless comments are big news...outright lies by the Secretary of Defense about a war that has left both Iraqis and US soldiers dead...no news at all.
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So wait.. he says people would believe that the threat is not imminent and maybe 5 to 7 years, etc etc.. and that he's not for sure if that is true?


it sounds like he was undecided to me... not flat out saying it was an imminent threat...


let's look at this:

Friedman: Right here it says, some have argued ‑‑ this is you speaking, some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraqi is not imminent, that Saddam is at least five to seven years away from having nuclear weapons, I would not be so certain.

Rumsfeld: And ‑‑

Friedman: That's close to imminent.


It still sounds like the position they've always taken: uncertain, which doesn't justify war, but based on the shared global intelligence, they made a move....


Now, let's continue:

Rumsfeld: Well, I've tried to be precise, and I've tried to be accurate.

Friedman: No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people, and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.


Ok, now this is where it becomes questionable, but still open ended...

He says no terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people...

so then... if Iraq was less a threat than imminent, that means other terrorist nations must have posed even a lesser threat than Iraq, correct?

Remember, we went to war with Afghanistan to root out Al Qaeda, not that afghanistan posed an imminent threat to us...

The war in Iraq is still an open ended mess.... no lie or truth was said in these statements...just more obscurity...
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I think what's even worse is that Howard Dean can make 1 noise that's completely meaningless and the media will play it hundreds of times a day on each media outlet, but when a lie proven outright about a cause of war, that's completely overlooked. It's a compounded problem of media complicity. Kerry says something stupid, or something that wasn't polite about Republicans, and that's huge news.

Meaningless comments are big news...outright lies by the Secretary of Defense about a war that has left both Iraqis and US soldiers dead...no news at all.

worst thing about the "Dean Scream"...if you were actually there...it was so loud from everyone cheering...you couldn't even hear him

they just took his mic and played it louder

it was taken out of context and manipulated
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