kobe accuser

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what do yall think of this case
think this girl is scandalous
but maybe im just a product of the lying, deceitful corporate media.

well based on what little we are told.. and who knows if its the truth or not.. but if its true that she had sex within a day after she was supposedly raped by Kobe... then that doesnt fare well for her case since that isnt a likely thing for a rape victim to do so quickly afterwards

as far as the rape shield law is concerned and all that.. i think they are going about things the right way.. the judge heard her testimony behind closed doors.. he will allow what he thinks should be allowed and not what he doesnt..

gonna be toughtto get around reasonable doubt from the info we've heard.

Her promescuity is certainly no permission slip to be raped - but it is nearly such a thing to be found not guilty.

I think that hes such a big star that he can have sex with anyone and hes thought process isnt that of a regular person.But I also think that at first she wanted to jump his bones and bang his brains out but later realized what was happening tryed to stop it.Its also been said that should could be bipolar.Shes probly sexualy active with lots of guys.

Other felow employess said she had been bragging after the incedent that they had sex.And before he got to the hotel she stayed after her shirt to show kobe around and help him with his luggage

well i dont see how you can prove the case either way because in the end it'll probably be he said/she said because if she is sexually active with several men then there is no way to prove that any tears she has came from Kobe or not

i dunno.. i think the attention the case is getting is probably going to favor Kobe since there cant be mistakes... i would guess that maybe if this was a regular person that he would just be found guilty and locked up and forgotten about.. but i dont really know

Originally posted by joelb
well i dont see how you can prove the case either way because in the end it'll probably be he said/she said because if she is sexually active with several men then there is no way to prove that any tears she has came from Kobe or not

i dunno.. i think the attention the case is getting is probably going to favor Kobe since there cant be mistakes... i would guess that maybe if this was a regular person that he would just be found guilty and locked up and forgotten about.. but i dont really know

the job of the jury is to evaluate tesimony and evidence.

Just because Kobe says it was consensual dos not necessaril make it so. The jury can decide he's lying if they believe that.

Also, the evidence of tissue damage - the jury must decide if it is consistent with rape and if it was caused by Kobe.

The difficulty for the prosecution is that they will ask a jury to make a decision that cold ruin a man's life on the evidence and testimony given - and from what we know - it appears to go wanting.

my question is.....why the fuck should i care.

Originally posted by xiannaix
Just because Kobe says it was consensual dos not necessaril make it so. The jury can decide he's lying if they believe that.

Also, the evidence of tissue damage - the jury must decide if it is consistent with rape and if it was caused by Kobe.

to the first comment.. yeah thats why i said its basically he-said/she-said

and to the second.. someone can have a tear that looks like a rape that didnt come from rape i'm sure.. some people like really rough sex... and if there is a tear.. how can you tell the difference between a tear that comes from Kobe and a tear that comes from the other men she had sex with (if they show that she had sex with other men)?

the answer is you can't.. a tear is a tear

Originally posted by joelb
to the first comment.. yeah thats why i said its basically he-said/she-said

and to the second.. someone can have a tear that looks like a rape that didnt come from rape i'm sure.. some people like really rough sex... and if there is a tear.. how can you tell the difference between a tear that comes from Kobe and a tear that comes from the other men she had sex with (if they show that she had sex with other men)?

the answer is you can't.. a tear is a tear

can too. she testifies that she didn't consent to rough sex. the question is - will the jury believe her

but your point about the difficulty of disentagling all the facts etc to arrive with a vote for guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is well taken.

[MysteryMeat]

Originally posted by joelb
if its true that she had sex within a day after she was supposedly raped by Kobe... then that doesnt fare well for her case since that isnt a likely thing for a rape victim to do so quickly afterwards

Pardon....when was the last time *you* were raped?

I'm not taking sides in the case, because I think things are too circumstancial on both sides; the only people that will really ever know the truth are Kobe and that girl. I would, however, caution against judging what the behavior of a post-rape victim is or is not likely to be. Rape is one of the most traumatizing things that can happen to a person mentally, and in many cases physically, and people react in many different ways. The psychology behind this, by the way, is that there are victims that feel the need to be "loved" or "in control" via consentual sex near the time of a rape to help them to feel somewhat more normal again.



I will say that I am pretty disgusted by the death threats levied against this woman, though. Sounds to me like Americans are too worried about losing one of their "great sports heroes", whether he's guilty or not.

Originally posted by MysteryMeat
Pardon....when was the last time *you* were raped?

well... i've never been raped... so i was just giving an opinion...

i cant imagine wanting to have sex with someone after i had been violated.. thats all i'm saying

and if people are phoning death threats to the accuser.. that is sick.. but i wouldnt expect anything else in this world.. there are alot of really fucked up things that happen.. and that would certainly be up there on the list.. i doubt anyone would actually kill her though

but i have thought about the fact that here is Kobe who is accused of raping a woman and he is also continuing to play basketball... while i do think he has the right to do that... its just weird..

correct me if i'm wrong here... Kobe was arrested, he posted bail.. and was released pending trial? or was he never arrested?

because if the first one is true then chances are a regular person would still be sitting in jail between trial dates and definently wouldnt have the advantages that Kobe does

[kezarmyaj]

I dunno. the whole thing really bothers me. rape is a horrible, awful thing and many women feel ashamed to admit that it even happened to them because they feel like most people will think less of them because of it. then the few that do come out and say something (see: kobe case, cu recruiting scandal) are often labeled as having an alterior motive (ie money, noteriety, etc)


the one thing that does make me pretty sick is the way the kobe defense is almost out to absolutely crush this girl. no matter what happens, there is NO way she is going to have a normal life. EVER after all this.

[kezarmyaj]

link to a letter her mother wrote to the judge.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1768106

Originally posted by kezarmyaj
the one thing that does make me pretty sick is the way the kobe defense is almost out to absolutely crush this girl. no matter what happens, there is NO way she is going to have a normal life. EVER after all this.

you should think about both sides though..

if she WAS raped then i would agree with your statement

but if she wasnt... then her life wont be crushed

even though rape is sickening .... its still innocent until proven guilty..