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Ryan · 06-20-04, 10:26 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/cli...raq/index.html

In recent days, Clinton has showered praise on George W. Bush as a person, released his book and completely overshadowed John Kerry in the media, and now offers support for Bush's war, a major issue in this campaign. Perhaps you all were very correct in asserting Clinton's intention on keeping Kerry out of the White House. We all knew Clinton is only happy when the spotlight is shining on him, but he really seems to be making a blatant effort to give a hand to Bush here. Bad, BAD ex-President.

06-20-04, 11:34 AM

Clinton is definetly a major player (if not 'the' major player) as far as Dem. king making goes. How he uses that power is sometimes a bit odd. However, personal aggrandisement seems to be a prime motivator. He will always be a fascinating cat to watch.

Ryan · 06-20-04, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by xiannaix
Clinton is definetly a major player (if not 'the' major player) as far as Dem. king making goes. How he uses that power is sometimes a bit odd. However, personal aggrandisement seems to be a prime motivator. He will always be a fascinating cat to watch.

The only thing I can't understand is why he would even push for Hilary unless she's blackmailing him. It's not like him to want to take the back seat to anyone else, not even his "wife." I guess he wants to get his fingers back into politics and there's no way for him to go back up. Plus, I guess it would be an opportunity for him to get lots of media coverage and write another book about being the first ever "First Man." Oh, and he'll have access to a whole new crop of Presidential interns.

Adam D · 06-20-04, 01:03 PM

Or perhaps it is a backward way of putting a positive spin on Democrats. Remember that Clinton is very popular with Democrats and carries a far more positive imagine than Kerry does. I think in due time we will see Clinton coming out in support of Kerry.

As far as Clinton's comments about Bush, there's a few things to consider. One, Bush made comments of how "great" Clinton was at the hanging of his picture in the White House, so Clinton was in a place where it would be professional of him to say the same thing. It's professional courtesy. Also, to criticize Bush for the Iraq War would make him look like a complete hypocrit since he tried to do the same thing. It would be a poor decision for him personally to come off that way, and would probably reflect poorly on Kerry.

Dionysos · 06-20-04, 01:05 PM

I don't think it has anything to do with Kerry and everything to do with Clinton's impending book release.

MysteryMeat · 06-20-04, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by Dionysos
I don't think it has anything to do with Kerry and everything to do with Clinton's impending book release.

06-20-04, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Ryan
The only thing I can't understand is why he would even push for Hilary unless she's blackmailing him. It's not like him to want to take the back seat to anyone else, not even his "wife." I guess he wants to get his fingers back into politics and there's no way for him to go back up. Plus, I guess it would be an opportunity for him to get lots of media coverage and write another book about being the first ever "First Man." Oh, and he'll have access to a whole new crop of Presidential interns.

hehe - too true. "I did it. I did it and I'm not sorry. I did it, I'm not sorry, and you still love me." He's amazing - I hope he never goes away.

bfp · 06-20-04, 06:58 PM

It couldn't be about the White House paintings speech that Bush gave to the Clinton's. He has been praising Bush for the Iraq war for several months now. Actually, since last summer.

It's obvious what Clinton's doing. At any other time Clinton would be blasting the hell out of Bush. The only thing on the line here for Bush is the Iraq issue. In my opinion, if he were trying to help Kerry, he should be blasting the hell out of the current administration, but he's not.

If he cared about Kerry's election, he would have waited until Christmas time(after the election) to promote his book to keep from taking the steam away from Kerry. He claims that he will be behind Kerry in '04 when asked, but does anyone believe that he would publicly announce that he would not?

It's all about them. He doesn't give a shit about Kerry, at all. And if I have anything to say about it, Clinton and McCollugh will do anything to keep Kerry from winning.

Ryan · 06-20-04, 07:59 PM

Maybe he's just trying to look like a nice guy to sell more books. I have a hard time believing he really gives a damn about advancing anyone's career other than his own, be it John Kerry, Hilary Clinton, or anyone else. The only thing we can ever be sure about Billy Bob is that whatever it is he's doing, he's doing it for his own gain. But hey, his tactics always seem to work. I find the man intriguing and will probably read his book just to try and understand what is going through his head. Love him or hate him, he is certainly an interesting individual.

06-20-04, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by Ryan
Maybe he's just trying to look like a nice guy to sell more books. I have a hard time believing he really gives a damn about advancing anyone's career other than his own, be it John Kerry, Hilary Clinton, or anyone else. The only thing we can ever be sure about Billy Bob is that whatever it is he's doing, he's doing it for his own gain. But hey, his tactics always seem to work. I find the man intriguing and will probably read his book just to try and understand what is going through his head. Love him or hate him, he is certainly an interesting individual.

yup

Dionysos · 06-21-04, 12:49 PM

Only an egomaniac like Clinton would write a book about his life and make it 957 pages. For comarison, I have a book detailing the state of the world with in-depth looks into economics, health care, fossil fuels, air quality, acid rain, deforestation, etc. etc. etc. and it's less than 600 pages.

TheHawk · 06-21-04, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Dionysos
Only an egomaniac like Clinton would write a book about his life and make it 957 pages. For comarison, I have a book detailing the state of the world with in-depth looks into economics, health care, fossil fuels, air quality, acid rain, deforestation, etc. etc. etc. and it's less than 600 pages.

But does your book talk about doing white house interns?

Dionysos · 06-21-04, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by TheHawk
But does your book talk about doing white house interns?

No, but it does have a section on their methane emissions from eating too much cud.

Ryan · 06-21-04, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by Dionysos
Only an egomaniac like Clinton would write a book about his life and make it 957 pages. For comarison, I have a book detailing the state of the world with in-depth looks into economics, health care, fossil fuels, air quality, acid rain, deforestation, etc. etc. etc. and it's less than 600 pages.

I agree to a certain extent - no doubt the man has an ego the size of Arkansas. But he is a rare exception in politics, being a poor kid from a the Deep South and pulling himself up to the highest position of power in the world. That's a pretty extraordinary feat and it should take longer to tell that story than the typical politician's tales of struggle and hardship through boarding school, Ivy League universities, and the yachting club. I understand fully why some people dislike the man so much, but he is truly an amazing person.

Dionysos · 06-21-04, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Ryan
I agree to a certain extent - no doubt the man has an ego the size of Arkansas. But he is a rare exception in politics, being a poor kid from a the Deep South and pulling himself up to the highest position of power in the world. That's a pretty extraordinary feat and it should take longer to tell that story than the typical politician's tales of struggle and hardship through boarding school, Ivy League universities, and the yachting club. I understand fully why some people dislike the man so much, but he is truly an amazing person.

The Complete Works of William Shakespeare, unabridged(37 plays): 1248 pages

Bill Clinton, My Life: 957 pages

Homer's Odyssey, hardback edition: 541 pages

06-20-04, 10:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
Ryan Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,783	OK, You Conservatives May Have Been Right on This One http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/cli...raq/index.html In recent days, Clinton has showered praise on George W. Bush as a person, released his book and completely overshadowed John Kerry in the media, and now offers support for Bush's war, a major issue in this campaign. Perhaps you all were very correct in asserting Clinton's intention on keeping Kerry out of the White House. We all knew Clinton is only happy when the spotlight is shining on him, but he really seems to be making a blatant effort to give a hand to Bush here. Bad, BAD ex-President.

06-20-04, 01:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Adam D Feline Leukemia Survivor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Law School Posts: 7,750	Or perhaps it is a backward way of putting a positive spin on Democrats. Remember that Clinton is very popular with Democrats and carries a far more positive imagine than Kerry does. I think in due time we will see Clinton coming out in support of Kerry. As far as Clinton's comments about Bush, there's a few things to consider. One, Bush made comments of how "great" Clinton was at the hanging of his picture in the White House, so Clinton was in a place where it would be professional of him to say the same thing. It's professional courtesy. Also, to criticize Bush for the Iraq War would make him look like a complete hypocrit since he tried to do the same thing. It would be a poor decision for him personally to come off that way, and would probably reflect poorly on Kerry. __________________ This is my signature.

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06-20-04, 11:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
xiannaix Guest Posts: n/a	Clinton is definetly a major player (if not 'the' major player) as far as Dem. king making goes. How he uses that power is sometimes a bit odd. However, personal aggrandisement seems to be a prime motivator. He will always be a fascinating cat to watch.

06-20-04, 06:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
bfp Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: McKidney Posts: 4,278	It couldn't be about the White House paintings speech that Bush gave to the Clinton's. He has been praising Bush for the Iraq war for several months now. Actually, since last summer. It's obvious what Clinton's doing. At any other time Clinton would be blasting the hell out of Bush. The only thing on the line here for Bush is the Iraq issue. In my opinion, if he were trying to help Kerry, he should be blasting the hell out of the current administration, but he's not. If he cared about Kerry's election, he would have waited until Christmas time(after the election) to promote his book to keep from taking the steam away from Kerry. He claims that he will be behind Kerry in '04 when asked, but does anyone believe that he would publicly announce that he would not? It's all about them. He doesn't give a shit about Kerry, at all. And if I have anything to say about it, Clinton and McCollugh will do anything to keep Kerry from winning.

06-20-04, 07:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ryan Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,783	Maybe he's just trying to look like a nice guy to sell more books. I have a hard time believing he really gives a damn about advancing anyone's career other than his own, be it John Kerry, Hilary Clinton, or anyone else. The only thing we can ever be sure about Billy Bob is that whatever it is he's doing, he's doing it for his own gain. But hey, his tactics always seem to work. I find the man intriguing and will probably read his book just to try and understand what is going through his head. Love him or hate him, he is certainly an interesting individual.