Hatch believes women should have subservient role in marriage

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taken from salt lake tribune

WASHINGTON -- Reading from the Bible on the floor of the Senate on Tuesday, Sen. Orrin Hatch endorsed a federal judicial nominee who wrote that wives should have a subordinate role in marriage, with the Utah Republican emphasizing "millions and millions of people will agree with" that view.
In a preview of the religious rhetoric that will likely dominate next week's scheduled Senate debate over a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, Hatch led the fight for confirming Arkansas lawyer J. Leon Holmes to the U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of Arkansas.
With Hatch's support and that of Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah, Holmes was confirmed 51-46 in the Senate on Tuesday evening, even though many members of the Senate predicted his nomination would be rejected.
Holmes' writing on abortion, marriage, slavery and other theological issues generated opposition from not only many Democrats but also some Republicans.
Fueling much of the debate is a 1997 article Holmes and his wife, Susan, wrote for Arkansas Catholic magazine titled, "Gender Neutral Language, Destroying an Essential Element of Our Faith." The couple wrote that under Catholic teaching, "the woman is to place herself under the authority of the man" in marriage and "is to subordinate herself to the husband."
Senate Democrats who are also members of the Roman Catholic faith, such as Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, have said the positions taken by Holmes "reflect a narrow view of the Catholic theology and do not embody contemporary standards that should be followed by any federal judge in any state."
Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Penn., lashed out at Durbin's criticism during floor debate.
"We hear so much from the other side about tolerance," said Santorum. "Where is the tolerance for people who want to believe what has been taught for 2,000 years?"

After reading aloud from Chapter 5 of the Book of Ephesians, Hatch said "it gets pretty bad around here" when lawmakers condemn Holmes for quoting the teachings of St. Paul the Apostle.
"I don't think anybody can read this without understanding husbands have tremendous obligations in order to gain the respect of their wives," said Hatch. "You might disagree with St. Paul but there are hundreds of millions of people who agree with St. Paul."
Hatch also discounted criticism over a 1980 letter Holmes wrote to a newspaper arguing that rape victims should not be allowed to have abortions because "conceptions from rape occur with approximately the same frequency as snowfall in Miami." Holmes has since apologized for the comment.
"I find his statement to be insensitive and appalling," said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, a former criminal prosecutor who cited studies showing an estimated 25,000 pregnancies occur each year due to rape. "Speak to the family of a 13-year-old girl who is pregnant by being raped by her family's best friend, the next-door neighbor."
Said Hatch: "I believe all of us have made statements in the past for which we wished we could apologize."

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[Element4040]

Yep sounds like the new judge will fit right in

Your leaving out the important part.

A woman in a Christian marriage is submissive to her husband out of the Love that he shows her by laying his life down for her.



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[Keith P]

A woman in a Christian marriage is submissive to her husband out of the Love that he shows her by laying his life down for her.

Hi, welcome to the middle ages.

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Originally posted by Dirt
Your leaving out the important part.

A woman in a Christian marriage is submissive to her husband out of the Love that he shows her by laying his life down for her.



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You're missing the important part of the article. And how is there a seperation from Church and State when the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee is reading the bible on the Senate floor?

[Led]

If he's trying to keep women in the kitchen, he can read out of the allahdamned quran for all I care.

[Ryan]

No, I think this one is better:

Hatch also discounted criticism over a 1980 letter Holmes wrote to a newspaper arguing that rape victims should not be allowed to have abortions because "conceptions from rape occur with approximately the same frequency as snowfall in Miami."

Originally posted by question
You're missing the important part of the article. And how is there a seperation from Church and State when the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee is reading the bible on the Senate floor?

What does "separation of church and state" mean?

Please explain your understanding?

[Tortures Dionysos]

Originally posted by Dirt
Your leaving out the important part.

A woman in a Christian marriage is submissive to her husband out of the Love that he shows her by laying his life down for her.



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How does he "lay his life down for her"... exactly? Does he jump in front of speeding cars...???

[Bookie Pimp]

Originally posted by Karen EpiK
How does he "lay his life down for her"... exactly? Does he jump in front of speeding cars...???

Actually, my understanding of what this means is that a man is to commit himself to his vocation in such a way that he is able to provide food, shelter, and clothing for his wife and offspring without their having the need to work outside the home.

It's not meant to be taken literally to mean "subject himself to death". However, a truly Godly man would definitely "take a bullet" for his family if need be...

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Originally posted by IM3RD
Actually, my understanding of what this means is that a man is to commit himself to his vocation in such a way that he is able to provide food, shelter, and clothing for his wife and offspring without their having the need to work outside the home.

It's not meant to be taken literally to mean "subject himself to death". However, a truly Godly man would definitely "take a bullet" for his family if need be...

Holding the welfare and health (mental and physical) of his wife above his own.

That all sounds good to me.

Originally posted by E-brake
exactly, his entire purpose in life is suposed to be serve god, and provide for family. Holding the welfare and health (mental and physical) of his wife above his own.

You mean like Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh, do, right?

Originally posted by E-brake
No more like Clinton, or Kennedy

I don't remember Clinton or Kennedy representing themselves as Defenders of the Faith of the Christian Right, unlike Gingrich the Pure and Rush the Devout. But I'm sure you merely overlooked that point, right?

Originally posted by E-brake
No Im sure your an asshat, Rush has never been religously affiliated, nor has he spoken from a religious standpoint.

And both clinton and Kennedy did give speaches from churches on more than one occasion, not to mention all of Clintons photo ops with minority religious leaders in the south.

I weep for the youth of today.

Originally posted by Keith P
Hi, welcome to the middle ages.

You think that a husband laying down his life, his interests, putting his wifes needs and wants ahead of his to be the Middle Ages?

I'm saying that a man who lays down his life for his wife, will do anything for her, that his wife will be submissive to him out of Love.

The opposite of this is a selfish man who bullies his wife around and tries to force her to do his way. Which is the way unfortunately that most men act and it gets people nowhere. If a man wants a woman to do something for him he has to SACRIFICE his life for her.


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