Attn: Idris & his mystery philosophy

[Adam D]

Considering current trends in philosophical thought, do you have any response to post-modern criticisms that would characterize your philosophy, specifically your pyramid allegory, as metanarrativist and reductionist?

give me a minute...I just got back after leaving the board...for the "nigger" comment by mystery meat...let me look up the definitions of those words before I try and speak eloquently about the question you posed...

[MysteryMeat]

Originally posted by idris
...for the "nigger" comment by mystery meat

Out of context, but thanks for re-proving my point yet again

Originally posted by Adam D
Considering current trends in philosophical thought, do you have any response to post-modern criticisms that would characterize your philosophy, specifically your pyramid allegory, as metanarrativist and reductionist?

I didn't find metanarrativist...but from context...meta-change in position , form, alteration, transpostion....narrativist- of, or having the nature of, narration; in story form...occupied or concerned with narration (a narrative poet-as in Homeric)

reductionism--any method or theory of reducing data, processes, or statements to seeming equivalents that are less complex or developed, usually a disparaging term----

disparaging....to lower in esteem; discredit to speak slightingly of; show disrespect for; belittle...

my philosophy would definitely be considered meta-narrativist...if that's an actual word...because there was a change in position from the original Allegory and mine...it is in story form telling the history of the events prior to and after the acquisition of a great civilization Egypt by the Romans and the Greeks...

it does reduce data...not to less complex or developed terms per se, but into more complex thought processes and the availability to completely understand what transpired in the past hoping that it will help in the future...

why, I believe no one did it before...they didn't have the power to build it up...after tearing it down...if that makes sense...not to belittle...but to strengthen as a whole...not as seperate but equal...but as ONE species

It just so happens that I happened to be born on the losing side...the AFRO-ASIATIC...which would not only refer to blacks...but asians as well...It would probably raise the esteem of a culture, descent, ethnicity know as the African-American race...though I feel that the initial readers will not be of this "race" because it wasn't written for the race by or in itself (per se) but for our species as a whole

Originally posted by MysteryMeat
Out of context, but thanks for re-proving my point yet again

tell me why?

Originally posted by MysteryMeat
Out of context, but thanks for re-proving my point yet again

out of context my behind...this is like some Chris Rock shit...there are niggers and there are black people...I understand the difference...but I would never use racial slurs unless I was joking...and I don't truly know if u were or not..

by using this comment "that's some nigger bullshit"
you derailed the conversation and context in which you meant it...I understand...but I would have used it in the first place...

if that makes sense to you...

I know you meant no harm by it...but I wouldn't of put that shit up there...unfornuately you did...so correct your mistakes...while I try and fix mine...

[MysteryMeat]

Originally posted by idris
tell me why?

Because you can't tell the difference between who's calling you a nigger and who isn't. That's one of the biggest points about my stance.

[MysteryMeat]

Originally posted by idris
out of context my behind...this is like some Chris Rock shit...there are niggers and there are black people...

...and then there are just people. You still don't see it.

but why even put it there in the first place...the first time you deemed it necessary...you and I both know the history of that word...it should of died off a long time ago...with slavery and the rest of the IGNORANT OR FOOLISH BASTARDS....

a definition....originally simply a dialectal variant of Negro....the term nigger is today acceptable only in black English (Blingish); in all other context it is now generally regarded as virtually taboo because of the legacy of racial hatred that underlies the history of its use among WHITES, and it's continuing use among a minority as A VICIOUSLY HOSTILE EPITHET....

which is how I took it...vicious...but I guess I'm supposed to read your mind and it's underlying meanings....

Originally posted by MysteryMeat
It's this view that keeps you and others that believe this crock of shit belief behind. There are vast differences between the "black man", the "struggling black man", and the guy that got over it. I work with several people in higher positions than myself with much more pigment in their skin than I have, and the last thing on either of our minds is whether or not they are "black". This is the first time I've deemed this quote necessary: "That's some nigger bullshit."


By the way, the whole presumption that "the black race" is behind is fucking laughable. Those that have lived in the United States for 2+ generations (whom I call 'native' or 'American') are such a small demographic of the "race" you're talking about, and in First- or Second-world countries, that demographic seems to be the one with the greatest percentage "behind". Its a self-image issue.

And please don't try to come back with points about how racism still exists. Of fucking course it does. But I can take you places and introduce you to people that have learned to get over it and become people instead of blacks

you meat...would be in that MINORITY mentioned above...I'm sorry that I don't deem racial slurs...necessary...maybe good jokes from time to time...but I didn't feel it was used in that context...

sorry, i didn't make the language...

Originally posted by MysteryMeat
...and then there are just people. You still don't see it.

make me see it...if you can...

[MysteryMeat]

Originally posted by idris
but why even put it there in the first place...the first time you deemed it necessary...you and I both know the history of that word...it should of died off a long time ago...with slavery and the rest of the IGNORANT OR FOOLISH BASTARDS....

Because, idris, in the reference of my comment, it was pointing the finger at the true problem in this situation, those that consider themselves 'niggas' or 'blacks'.

I wonder, honestly and with no mal-intent, whether or not you have known strong and positive figures in your life (meaning you personally know them) that are the same color as you. To my racially-enlightened self, the color really doesn't matter, but some need to be shown the possibilities before they can accept them.

It's been obvious through your posts on this board for some time that you fear persecution for the color you were born with. Many, many times I've seen you get up in arms about issues that hit close to home with you, and you try to tie situations back to racism. Until you can understand that you can live without persecution, you will always perceive that you are or will be.

[prince vlad]

whats all this talk about niggers? are we re-instating slavery and the draft.

Until you can understand that you can live without persecution, you will always perceive that you are or will be.

contradictory statement...it's a little bit hard with the history...and current present...Reginald Denney, Jasper County, MLK Jr.

To my racially-enlightened self, the color really doesn't matter, but some need to be shown the possibilities before they can accept them.

color doesn't matter to me either, but you are right they need to be shown that they can be intelligent and productive and then they will accept it...

AND UNTIL YOU'VE FELT RACISM...YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IT! you can be the most loving caring, socially accepting individual, who knows no color and see no lines...and there will still be ONE stupid fuck who is as ignorant as individuals 40 to a 1000 years ago....

the intelligence quotient of the entire population must change first

Originally posted by prince vlad
whats all this talk about niggers? are we re-instating slavery and the draft.

nigger said this...nigger said that...

ya' see for some reason, I knew that was a joke

[MysteryMeat]

Originally posted by idris
AND UNTIL YOU'VE FELT RACISM...YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IT!

There you go, looking only with your eyes again. You assume that just because I'm white that I've never been subjected to bigotry and oppression. Hate transcends far beyond color.

you can be the most loving caring, socially accepting individual, who knows no color and see no lines...and there will still be ONE stupid fuck who is as ignorant as individuals 40 to a 1000 years ago....

I see. So that 'one stupid motherfucker' is (and always will be) the reason for you to wallow in your poor, oppressed little life.

the intelligence quotient of the entire population must change first

Read that statement again and think about who's really holding you back here. Otherwise, I promise: you'll die of old age waiting for the above to happen.