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Old 07-09-04, 01:05 PM   #16 (permalink)
 
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We should repeal the civil rights act, abolish the naacp and democratic party and leave the republican party to handle the interests of america as a whole.
We might as well get ready for the second coming of the messiah.
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Say what? That the majority of the blacks here in America are being driven and misled by a corrupt party?

Sure did. Ever since the Civil Rights Act the blacks have depended upon the Dem party and the NAACP to help them. Well, they haven't delivered. Their agenda is obviously corrupt, and produces negative results.
Obviously, you haven't kept abreast of current trends. Slowly, but surely, as America prospers, guess what middle class Blacks turn into?

Surprise, surprise! Republicans. Once they cross the "gap" from being where they were and move into where they are going (economically), they tend to try to escape that which they feel will drag them back down.

If anything, there has been a move away from NAACP (due to their own infighting during the past 5 years). The Dems still hold a lot of "our" heart, but still have to fight to win "our" mind.

I say this, being of at least two of the types mentioned in this thread:

Black and Democrat.

There has been just as much disillusionment with the Republican party (if not MORESO) ever since Reconstruction. Failed promises on BOTH partys' parts are what has led to the "negative results" you mention.
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Sure did. Ever since the Civil Rights Act the blacks have depended upon the Dem party and the NAACP to help them. Well, they haven't delivered. Their agenda is obviously corrupt, and produces negative results.
LOLly at the 'agenda' word again.
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We should repeal the civil rights act, abolish the naacp and democratic party and leave the republican party to handle the interests of america as a whole.
We might as well get ready for the second coming of the messiah.

Of course we should have a counter-balance in American politics. Everything can't be onesided. But isn't it okay to point out when there are groups that produce negative results? Im not saying that the Democrats are the only evil. And not all democrats are evil. Of course there are wacko's on the right as well. It's just that the NAACP has turned into a political haven instead of an establishment that focuses on the positives of the african american culture. It seems to me that the positives aren't the main priority within the foundation of the group at the moment.
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LOLly at the 'agenda' word again.
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Maybe all of Black America should aspire to be "Freemasons."

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Obviously, you haven't kept abreast of current trends. Slowly, but surely, as America prospers, guess what middle class Blacks turn into?

Surprise, surprise! Republicans. Once they cross the "gap" from being where they were and move into where they are going (economically), they tend to try to escape that which they feel will drag them back down.
Is that why the percentage of black Rep's is hovering around the 8-15% number?

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If anything, there has been a move away from NAACP (due to their own infighting during the past 5 years). The Dems still hold a lot of "our" heart, but still have to fight to win "our" mind.
I've noticed this. But it's not a huge move though. It's a very minute number.

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There has been just as much disillusionment with the Republican party (if not MORESO) ever since Reconstruction. Failed promises on BOTH partys' parts are what has led to the "negative results" you mention.

I can't disagree with that. The government tried to fix the problem, as other countries have tried economically, but it didn't work. I don't think the government can do much to fix the problem, besides giving everyone the same rights to succeed.

That was the problem with the Democratic response. Instead of focusing on the process, they focused on producing results.
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Old 07-09-04, 05:42 PM   #22 (permalink)
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A bunch of rich white guys running everything?



You're absolutely right.

Does the NAACP represent all African Americans?

Further, do they all vote the same way?

What percentage of the voting pool does the NAACP represent?

How many voters can the NAACP deliver?

When is the last time the NAACP supported a Republican?
 
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Of course there are wacko's on the right as well.



You said it.

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It's just that the NAACP has turned into a political haven instead of an establishment that focuses on the positives of the african american culture.
Funny, I thought the NAAdvancementCP would take into consideration the political interests of the black community. Apparently they aren't supposed to.
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You said it.

National Association for the Advancement of Colored People

Funny, I thought the NAAdvancementCP would take into consideration the political interests of the black community. Apparently they aren't supposed to. [/B]
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People

Started in the early 1900's by both whites and blacks...
since then they have seemed to have lost their direction...Honestly would you lead this group after MLK Jr. was taken down?

I haven't kept up enough to shed some light on this subject...

W.E.B. Dubois was part of the founding of this organization...the first black graduate from Harvard...

If I believed everything you guys talk about on the internet...good lord I would be one stupid man...some of your opinions are way off...

Thomas, Thomas, Thomas, I wonder what you look like in person?

You know if there was a higher percentage of Colored People on this site you wouldn't have put that up there as your title...Oh well, I'm over it...like we really care about what some dumb white man did and has done...we just laugh about it anyways---Automatic Defense System...Look at what those stupid politicians did again...Oh wait were going to war, again? There go the soldiers, there go the grunts...Might as well get rid of the population of ignorance first...While we repopulate and take over? Hell, it happened in the beginning, and has continued...But only now after years and years of fighting, not by African tribes but by the ruling factions we can now achieve peace almost if we can just get the gun toting, Forrest Gump Politicians to start governing for and by the people instead of for the money...

I'll never understand why some people just try and get a rise out of others just for fun, but in real life you are nothing but a screen name....
 
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I found this...it's a little bit hypocritical

NAACP Poll
Should cross burning be permitted under freedom of speech protections?
No 54.3%
Yes 41.9%
Not Sure 3.8%

Total votes: 265

The results from the poll are unofficial and unscientific and whose margin of error can be large at any percentile.

I thought Thomas might laugh at his grandparents mistakes
 
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Old 07-10-04, 07:20 PM   #26 (permalink)
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here are some better answers...

Gerald Bell Jul-09-2004 17:09
President Bush is not only dissing the Community, but more importantly, he is disrespecting the Office of the President and himself.
 
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John Jul-09-2004 18:45
Why should President Bush speak to an organization who has no respect for him and who has been hijacked by the radical left in this country. The leadership of the NAACP is shameful and should apologize to President Bush (for example, the hateful add sponsered by the NAACP during the 2000 election) before he would be expected to speak at a NAACP convention. There are far more admirable African American organizations where President Bush should and is spending his time with.

Nat_Turner Jul-09-2004 19:00
Yes. And thank you for not saying "President Bush" in the poll question. This man did not get elected, so he does not deserve the title. The NAACP has taken the high road by continually inviting the man who refused to sign hate-crime legislation to our convention. With this latest refusal, and all of the disrespect this shows to all of us in the black community, the NAACP should be the first black organization to pass a resolution for a life-time ban of Bush from all of its meetings. Ban Bush!

Anthony Settimio Jul-09-2004 21:39
When the NAACP President & chairman call you a fundamental enemy ,one may not accept an invitation to their lair.

Steve Ferguson Jul-09-2004 23:58
I would not go either if I was treated like Mr. Bond treated the President. The racial comments he made were deplorable and if a Anglo would ever make those it would be considered a crime. Why not invite Senator Robert Bryd and his racist self.

charles s. wheeler Jul-10-2004 10:25
President Bush speaking at the NAACP convention would be the same as Julian Bond speaking at a KKK convention.

charles wheeler Jul-10-2004 10:33
When you're certain to lose 90% of a voting bloc no matter what you do, there is little to be gained by speaking to a group that dosen't represent the majority of that group in the first place. Why should Bush give the press material to be used against him by subjecting himself to the ridicule of the NAACP?

Nelson B Rivers, III Jul-10-2004 10:50
Yes, he is disrespecting Black folks and most Americans!

Patrick Jul-10-2004 10:52
It is a shame we have turned into a leftwing bomb throwing organization. What happened to being independant? I wouldn't show up iether.

irfan Jul-10-2004 11:43
I believe he is displaying his bigoted roots. Many people from small town communities in Texas slightly display racist behavior. This type of behavior is not apparent. A good example would be that if you are sitting next to two white folks, they talk to each other and do not talk to you.

JCP Jul-10-2004 13:34
Perhaps he feels that he will be challenged to the extent that he would be in a no-win situation. By not attending, he might be saying, "I am not going to put myself in that situation." -JCP

anonymous Jul-10-2004 13:38
People who expect a handout are only being given the opportunity to quit. Democrats have now chosen the course of promising handouts and the ignorant feel that is their right. Stand up, by strong and succeed. Asians do it without help from the government. Bill Cosby said it correctly

John Root Jul-10-2004 14:27
Although I am not convinced that the NAACP speaks for all black Americans, it is perhaps a pity that relations between the President and the leaders of the organization have fallen to such a low level. I can understand President Bush's reluctance. Perhaps if the leadership of the NAACP were to apologise for their uncalled-for remarks about Mr. Bush, he might reconsider.

Gerald Jul-10-2004 15:03
Only 43% agree?! On www.dailykos.com, there's great post about this. Seems GWB will be on a bus tour of PA during the convention, but can't see fit to show up. He's now telling reporters that he won't be there because the NAACP leadership has not been nice to him.

LORAIN OLIVER Jul-10-2004 15:22
I think too many people want to have something against Bush that would prove he is racially insensitive. But it's all political, and all Bull, (do we go to every event we are invited to by friends, coworkers and family members?) Of course not, were not showing disrespect but making a conscious choice. Bush has made his choice, and just like the person throwing the event, (see if they invite you next time), we will make our choice on election day. By the way,for those who feel disrespected, the greatest insult to his assumed injury would be to invite the Kerry/Edwards party to speak and get them to show up. Bush would then get the message.

Mike Jul-10-2004 15:36
Why accept an invitation from a radical group of people who hated the man before he ever WON the election.

Howard Lee Jul-10-2004 15:38
President Bush is right. Why would anyone of any race be interested in appearing before a group which has demonized him or her for years. Democrats love to throw around rhetoric like Nazi and Fascist but it is usually Democrats who consistently use the propaganda methods of Dr. Goebbels and Adolph Hitler. President Bush would just be providing a photo op for another hate filled Democrat political ad. Thanks Howard

Maurice B Thomas Jul-10-2004 15:53
How could we possibly answer this question any other way but "Yes?" Bush is the first sitting president since Herbert Hoover to decline the invittation from the NAACP and since he DID appear in 2000 while campaigning and only received 2% of the African-American vote, his absolute disregard of the NAACP is predictable and understandable and vain while his non -participation is welcome. We have shown the grace of continual invitations to a total washout. Now, let us join together and turn our back on this heathen.

Peter R. Wilborn Jul-10-2004 15:55
I'm sure the President feels he would be disrespected by the membership. The chairman of the organization has been particularly ruthless in this regard.

josh Jul-10-2004 16:01
vote kerry bush is anti african american and anti gay so being a gay african american means im worth nothing according to bush support kerry and edwards be vocal goto your churches and family

Kevin Petry Jul-10-2004 16:01
If the loudmouths in your organization would quit making outrageous and totally disrespectful remarks, ie: "Nazi, etc" then maybe he would attend. Obviously he does NOT disrespect the black community as he has 2 high-level members in his cabinet that are black: Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell. Get over yourselves!

DLW Jul-10-2004 16:41
Considering the fact that I am the only African American woman who is running for U.S. House of Representatives in the state of Pennsylvania and am the endorsed Candidate for the 1st Congressional District AND a member of the NAACP who was not invited to speak or even attend the convention (and I live in Philadelphia), no I don't think PRESIDENT Bush is being disrespectful. As long as we support the person who gives us the biggest check during the election cycle and makes the biggest promises, we are going to continue to have silence from candidates who can see through our screen. We complain about the condition of our nation, but keep voting with blinders on (if we decide to vote at all) whenever an election cycle rolls around. We are losing out on good people because some of us can't afford to buy our way onto the convention stage, and then there are others who just won't bend to our whims because they know the NAACP is not going to support them anyway. It's not always a Black thing, you understand.

Barb Pakula Jul-10-2004 16:42
I am very surprised to see this poll showing a larger percentage of "no" votes. If this isn't disrespecting what is?

Bob Lockett Jul-10-2004 17:02
Thank you for the opportunity to comment. Suppose I had invited you to come to dinner at my house and overtly made disparaging, unflattering, and overtly critical comments to you beforehand. And I had done so repeatedly in the past. WOULD YOU COME FOR DINNER?? Respectfully, Bob Lockett

Bubba Jul-10-2004 17:24
Whyba doba kwesiba notba beba callingba himselfba Frazzleba, anymoreba.
 
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Since we all know that George Bush is NOT the "Peoples President", I am not surprised at his behavior. I say let George Bush continue to show his true colors , and don't extend the invitation to him to speak to the NAACP again. If not prior to this, Colin Powell & Condoleeza Rice should now be very embarassed by their boss.

JPW Jul-10-2004 17:37
If the NAACP would like the President to speak, it should apologize for the nasty comments made about the President by its members. If those things were said about me by anyone, I doubt I'd speak to them either....

Edward Baumgartner Jul-10-2004 17:41
The NAACP should seriously consider an apology to President Bush for ads ran during the 2000 election campaign. Why would he, a man who has sought to build bridges with various groups of people while maintaining his political and social core beliefs, desire to speak to a organization that represents politically only those that agree with a very limited left agenda? I send these comments, not in the spirit of anger, and I truly hope and pray that it is well received. As a native American and strong supporter of the vision of a racially blind america, I think that it is time that the NAACP leadership reviews the meaning of the third leter of the organization's acronym.

Renee Dixon Jul-10-2004 17:53
No he is not being disrespectful. The NAACP is not the voice of ALL Black Americans anymore. They have continually shown themselves to be nothing more than a paid arm of the Democratic Party. (At least when you watch the actions of the leadership). It's pretty sad to hear Mfume and Julian keep saying the NAACP is non partisan yet when anyone has another view (blacks included) that are not those of the left leaning NAACP and the Democratic Party, they go on the attack. Everything about the NAACP is divisive, non-productive and only makes its leadership rich and continues to keep millions in a victim mind-set. This is NOT what the civil rights movement was about. Perhaps Julian and Mfume should go back to their roots , becasue it is obvious, they have lost something along the way.

Barbara Brown Jul-10-2004 18:05
The NAACP has never shown President Bush the least bit of respect. The organization ran inflammatory ads during the 2000 campaign that more than expressed their opinion about candidate Bush. Why should he go to the convention to receive such savage treatment now that he is President? Civilized treatment begets more civilized treatment.


Nat_Turner Jul-10-2004 18:06
Well, Candidate DLW = Deborah L Williams, why have you sold out? Why have you become another pancake syrup-bottle stereotype subsurviant to rich white power, like Condi, Colin and Clarence? If you want to rejoin the family, renounce you candidacy as a republican, endorse the democrat in PA-01, and gain a center stage speech at the convention, complete with tear streaming repentance. Come home, girl!

Paul Sampson Jul-10-2004 18:09
When the leaders of the NAACP treat the offc. of the President of the US with respect instead of name calling, maybe they will allow their voices to be heard. Be respectful NAACP! Not children!

Mary McMahon Jul-10-2004 18:11
When the NAACP stops disrespecting the office of the President of the United States perhaps the office of the President will feel welcomed by the NAACP!

Oliver Jul-10-2004 18:28
You call Mr. Bush names with excessively harsh HATE speech and you CLAIM you want him to come to your convention. Now that is a BIG LIE and you know it. Maybe if you retract your statements, maybe he will come.

T. Mack Jul-10-2004 19:11
Bush will get less than 8% of the Black vote. He will be "dogged" by Jesse, Mfumi and Julian Bond. He`s dumb..... but not that dumb. He will win this election with 8% of the black vote. How do you like him now??

Adolfo Costa Jul-10-2004 19:16
Well, if NAACP membership is of some 1/2 million black Americans, you cannot afirm that President Bush is disrespecting the black community, just part of your membership, if at all. It read that some of you have been calling names to Mr. Bush. At least you have to admit that he has the courage of not going where so many people dislike him. When we Cuban Americans in Miami invite him he answers positively...I guess you should at the NAACP should be happy entertaining Mr. Clinton, since you like him that much...or Mr. Guerry, you latest hero of the same socialistic inclinations as Rangel, Serrano and Rvd. Jackson.
 
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Idris: have you run out of original thought, and just decided to start posting other people's discussions from elsewhere?

Again I say: you're a moron. The title of this thread is obviously inflammitory, but not because I feel negatively about dark-skinned people (which I think I've made pretty clear in other posts); I was making note of Bush's snub to the NAACP and the groups they represent.

FYI: my grandparents are -not- racist; I was actually brought up in a very open-minded home; an outlook descended from both maternal and paternal grandparents. Not all white old people are/were racists. Maybe you ought to start wondering if the case is really that you are.

Go have a cross bonfire if you want. I could give two squirts of warm piss.
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Idris: have you run out of original thought, and just decided to start posting other people's discussions from elsewhere?

Again I say: you're a moron. The title of this thread is obviously inflammitory, but not because I feel negatively about dark-skinned people (which I think I've made pretty clear in other posts); I was making note of Bush's snub to the NAACP and the groups they represent.

FYI: my grandparents are -not- racist; I was actually brought up in a very open-minded home; an outlook descended from both maternal and paternal grandparents. Not all white old people are/were racists. Maybe you ought to start wondering if the case is really that you are.

Go have a cross bonfire if you want. I could give two squirts of warm piss.
I haven't run out of original thought...I just wondered what the NAACP felt about Bush. As for your stance, You've never made it clear to me. I guess you think that inflammitory titles are ok because there will be no real retribution or real response, that maybe we are supposed to turn the other cheek (which I may have done a little immaturely, but Fair is foul, and foul is Fair)...Maybe you feel that what you put is ok...It shows no respect, and words like that should be used sparingly...I understand that Bush's not-attendance spawned the title.

Make sure you piss out the fire, after you and your friends are done...The words that you have typed on this screen lately I don't feel strengthen your stance...maybe you should ask your friends at TI if this was a proper title in a thread...yes, I do mean the one's of a darker skin tone---you can actually talk to them, instead of hiding behind a screen...Then maybe your true colors will shine through!

As for me, I couldn't be what you infer me to be. How can the person trying to end race be a racist...? Trying to bring the people together as the Human Species...

I have more original thought I just didn't see a point in wasting it on you...I thought maybe even you could learn a lot from the other side.

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