Delaying the Election

[Ryan]

Are you f*cking kidding me? Bush's advisors are going to be the death of his presidency. I am glad this kind of stuff keeps happening, though, because it shows his incompetence, his arrogance, and his willingness to trample democracy. 3 1/2 more months of this asshole!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in627204.shtml

[MysteryMeat]

Yeah, I saw this stuff last night. They're only talking about a delay if something like 9/11 happens on election day, though; I think its appropriate.

However -- doesn't this mean that the terrorists have won??? OMFG.

[bfp]

I am glad this kind of stuff keeps happening, though, because it shows his incompetence, his arrogance, and his willingness to trample democracy. 3 1/2 more months of this asshole!

Why? Because there is credible evidence that an attack is coming on either one of both conventions or on election day? You have to be ready for something like that. They succeeded in Spain. There is evidence that proves that they are intrested in disrupting elections again.

Really. Who would the enemy rather have in office? Kerry and Edwards? or Bush and Cheney? They got what they wanted in Spain. A peace-loving socialist. After watching the softball interview on 60 Min's last night between flip-flop and mop-top, I think it's obvious who they'd rather have.

They're not that stupid.

[Krash]

Originally posted by bfp
Why? Because there is credible evidence that an attack is coming on either one of both conventions or on election day? You have to be ready for something like that. They succeeded in Spain. There is evidence that proves that they are intrested in disrupting elections again.

Really. Who would the enemy rather have in office? Kerry and Edwards? or Bush and Cheney? They got what they wanted in Spain. A peace-loving socialist. After watching the softball interview on 60 Min's last night between flip-flop and mop-top, I think it's obvious who they'd rather have.

They're not that stupid.

I think they're happy with Bush, tbh, no president in history has generated so much animosity from so many in such a short time.

[question]

If the Civil War didn't stop the elections, why would an attack on America present any need to stop them?

quoted from article
Ridge warned last week that al Qaeda was "moving forward with its plans to conduct an attack in the U.S. in an effort to disrupt our democratic process."

If elections are postponed because of a terrorist attack, that certainly disrupts the democratic process, doesn't it?

Originally posted by bfp
Why? Because there is credible evidence that an attack is coming on either one of both conventions or on election day? You have to be ready for something like that. They succeeded in Spain. There is evidence that proves that they are intrested in disrupting elections again.

Really. Who would the enemy rather have in office? Kerry and Edwards? or Bush and Cheney? They got what they wanted in Spain. A peace-loving socialist. After watching the softball interview on 60 Min's last night between flip-flop and mop-top, I think it's obvious who they'd rather have.

They're not that stupid.

[Ryan]

Originally posted by bfp
Why? Because there is credible evidence that an attack is coming on either one of both conventions or on election day? You have to be ready for something like that. They succeeded in Spain. There is evidence that proves that they are intrested in disrupting elections again.

Really. Who would the enemy rather have in office? Kerry and Edwards? or Bush and Cheney? They got what they wanted in Spain. A peace-loving socialist. After watching the softball interview on 60 Min's last night between flip-flop and mop-top, I think it's obvious who they'd rather have.

They're not that stupid.

A) Where is the "credible" evidence? Every single time there is any major event in this country, the Bush administration issues some vague terror warning with absolutely no specific details. What is the point of this?

B) The enemy has already endorsed Bush/Cheney publicly. They know that as long as Bush is in power, the world will hate us. His war in Iraq has increased both the ranks and funding of al Qaeda, and has alienated us completely. They know that with Kerry/Edwards in office, the world is going to be much more willing to work with the United States to root these people out.

C) A terrorist attack would likely have the opposite effect here that it had in Spain. First off, most likely targets for terrorism (ie Boston, NYC, LA, San Francisco, DC, etc.) are overwhelmingly Democrat. Second, American think completely opposite from Spaniards.

D) We have held elections in the middle of the Civil War and two world wars, so I think we can handle this. This is just another scare tactic for this desperate, dying administration.

E) I'll take "Flip-Flop and Mop Top" over the Ogre Cheney and his pet chimp Bonzo any day of week.

[Ryan]

Here bfp. This is the widely-published statements from al Qaeda following the Madrid bombings:

The statement said it supported President Bush in his reelection campaign, and would prefer him to win in November rather than the Democratic candidate John Kerry, as it was not possible to find a leader "more foolish than you (Bush), who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom."

In comments addressed to Bush, the group said:

"Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilization."

"Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected."

[bfp]

they're happy with Bush, tbh, no president in history has generated so much animosity from so many in such a short time.

I don't think so. We have the top leadership on the run. How in the hell could they be happy, when everyone they meet they have to worry if someone is going to turn their back on them?

They waged a war on us because we were a paper-tiger regarding the constant strikes against us and the hostages that were taking place since the 70's.

It's adamant that us waging a war on their soil didn't change anything. We are the #1 enemy, and it's not going to change. Saying that we are only going to piss them off more doesn't change the fact that we are at war. Of course they're going to get pissed.

[Dionysos]

I think I'm going to stop reading A&P until November, because I can't flog this dead horse any more.

[bfp]

e is the "credible" evidence? Every single time there is any major event in this country, the Bush administration issues some vague terror warning with absolutely no specific details. What is the point of this?

Do you think they are going to give us details that will be leaked throughout the world? And if there were an attack, and they didn't alert us in a formerly fashion, would they be blamed for not taking the proper steps to alert us?

B) The enemy has already endorsed Bush/Cheney publicly. They know that as long as Bush is in power, the world will hate us. His war in Iraq has increased both the ranks and funding of al Qaeda, and has alienated us completely. They know that with Kerry/Edwards in office, the world is going to be much more willing to work with the United States to root these people out.

You mean all of the socialists will unite? What a great idea! Eight years of clinton and the paper tiger coalition of the willing really put a dent into their operations didn't they?!? Are we going to reason with them like Spain said was needed? Musab al Zarqawi even said in a message recently that we are putting huge pressure on them and that our forces are 'too strong'. It's obvious what needs to be done.

C) A terrorist attack would likely have the opposite effect here that it had in Spain. First off, most likely targets for terrorism (ie Boston, NYC, LA, San Francisco, DC, etc.) are overwhelmingly Democrat. Second, American think completely opposite from Spaniards.

What would that have to do with anything? Our new leader would be from the opposing side, being that the Republican supposedly 'couldn't protect us'. The opposing party could, or has the answer to the problem.

D)This is just another scare tactic for this desperate, dying administration.

You have no proof of this. This is just as factual as us going to war for oil.

take "Flip-Flop and Mop Top" over the Ogre Cheney and his pet chimp Bonzo any day of week.

Of course you would..

[Ash]

another batch of credible evidence

*puts on tinfoil hat
*buys duct tape

[TheHawk]

Originally posted by bfp
Do you think they are going to give us details that will be leaked throughout the world? And if there were an attack, and they didn't alert us in a formerly fashion, would they be blamed for not taking the proper steps to alert us?

been there, done that, it's been 2 years, 10 months, and a day and they still haven't been blamed.

[johnny861]

There were a lot of statements coming out of capital hill about this.


There's no chance in hell the election will be delayed.

A lot of bold statements were held supporting election day no matter the circumstances...


Just more journalistic hype to make the sheep bleet...

Originally posted by Ryan
Are you f*cking kidding me? Bush's advisors are going to be the death of his presidency. I am glad this kind of stuff keeps happening, though, because it shows his incompetence, his arrogance, and his willingness to trample democracy. 3 1/2 more months of this asshole!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in627204.shtml

If an event did disrupt the election and there was no contingency plan in place you'd be screaming bloody murder about that too Ryan.

Having said that.... postponing the election even with disruptions is absolutely stupid.


Let's assume that the 9/11 attacks occurred on election day. Let's say 100,000 people were among those prevented from voting either by being dead, emergency personel, traffic issues etc etc) - if the guy who lost the state lost by an equal number or more than the number of people disrupted we can say only that the missing votes MAY have narrowed the margin of defeat.

BTW - in 2000 Gore beat GW by 1.7 million votes in New York.

It will be VERY difficult to demonstrate that a terrorist disruption actually changed the outcome of a State's returns.

[MysteryMeat]

Originally posted by xiannaix
BTW - in 2004 Gore beat GW by 1.7 million votes in New York.

Holy crap, it's Miss Cleo! Someone tell her she's got the wrong candidates.