Kerry linked to 527 groups he opposed last week

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Even as Sen. John Kerry and his cheerleaders in Big Media try to associate President Bush with the modestly funded Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, they remain silent about the links Kerry and the Democrat party have to multimillion-dollar Bush-hating groups. But they cannot keep concealing these ties, because NewsMax has uncovered multiple examples.

From Democrats.org, a Web site of the Democratic National Committee, May 9, 2003:

“The Democratic Party is partnering with MoveOn.org, People for the American Way, Campaign for America's Future, and dozens of other groups representing millions of Americans to organize a massive public mobilization. On Wednesday, May 14, join us by calling and emailing your representatives in Congress to let them know that the majority of Americans oppose more irresponsible tax cuts that go overwhelmingly to the wealthiest sliver of Americans.”

“In their own words, DNC coordination with MoveOn.org,” noted a reader from Florence, S.C., one of several who sent this tip.

http://www.democrats.org/wvc/weekinr...305120002.html


From the same Web site’s unironically named “Kicking Ass: Daily Dispatches from the DNC,” here’s the ultimate in hypocrisy last Nov. 13 from one of Vermont’s more extreme ideologues:

“Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT), ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, took a short break from the 30-hour Republican hypocrisy-a-thon to come and see the results of the DNC's petition drive. We collected more than 310,000 signatures and comments from Americans who stand with Senate Democrats in the fight to keep ultraconservative ideologues off the federal bench.”

An accompanying photo has this caption: “DNC Chief Operating Officer Josh Wachs (left), Senator Leahy, and Zack Exley from Moveon.org pose with the more than 310,000 signatures.”

http://www.democrats.org/blog/display/00010183.html


In its push to obstruct judges who follow the U.S. Constitution, DNC admitted elsewhere on its site that same day, “The DNC is also conducting a major petition drive in partnership with MoveOn.org. More than 310,000 Americans have signed the petition to protect our courts — with more than 172,000 of those signatures coming in the past 36 hours.”

http://www.democrats.org/news/200311140002.html


And here’s DNC’s “Kicking Ass” item from Jan. 31:

Catch the Moveon ad during the Super Bowl
Here's a message from Moveon.org:

This Sunday, during the Super Bowl half time show, join us in changing channels on CBS. At 8:10pm and 8:35pm EST, switch over to CNN to watch "Child's Pay" on a channel which doesn't censor its ads. We'd like to keep a tally of the number of people who participate — you can sign up here.

Posted by DNC Research


http://www.democrats.org/blog/comment/00010377.html



MoveOn’s Web site admitted Aug. 9, “We're running a contest to help us choose the ads that will best convince undecided and swing voters to vote for John Kerry.”

http://www.moveon.org/pac/news/best-ad.html


The same site still posts a “letter to MoveOn members from John Kerry,” dated June 17, 2003. “Make no mistake, we need to take back the White House in 2004 and that’s why I’m running for President,” Kerry writes.

http://www.moveon.org/pac/cands/kerry.html



A posting on “the official Kerry-Edwards blog” last Dec. 11 includes this boast from one Fe Bongolan of Berkeley, Calif.:

“The East Bay for Kerry/MoveOn House party on December 7th combined the forces of two grass-roots organizations based in San Francisco East Bay Area. We had 200 guests eating, drinking, and watching the MoveOn Documentary ‘Uncovered’ featuring Joseph Wilson and Rand Beers from the Kerry campaign.

“When Teresa Heinz-Kerry arrived, she handed me a pin that read in the center: ‘Asses of Evil’ with ‘Bush’, ‘Cheney’, ‘Rumsfeld’ and ‘Ashcroft’ surrounding it. She met, greeted and talked to a jam-packed room of Kerry supporters and others who came for the MoveOn documentary. …

“Thanks to Teresa, we kept the party going on, and she helped us here at East Bay for Kerry, throw the Mother of All House Parties.”

http://blog.johnkerry.com/blog/archives/000871.html


From the liberal Minneapolis Star Tribune: “Sam Kaplan, one of Kerry's biggest and earliest fundraisers in Minnesota, said he plans to continue raising money working with Americans [sic] Coming Together.” (Hint to the Star Tribune: That pro-Kerry group calls itself America Coming Together.)

The reader from St. Louis Park, Minn., who sent this tip pointed out, “This is a more direct, admitted coordination link than anything asserted in the New York Times.”

And, as NewsMax.com reported Sunday, Kerry refuses to Zach Exley, a campaign staffer who was a director for MoveOn.org.
Although the Times and its countless imitators have for days made Kerry’s latest attacks on Bush and Swift Boats Veterans for Truth their lead story, note that they didn’t offer similar publicity when Bush’s campaign and the Republican National Committee on March 31 accused Kerry’s campaign of illegal coordination with anti-Bush groups.

"Senator Kerry, who supported the Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act, is now the beneficiary of the single largest conspiracy to violate campaign-finance laws in history," RNC Chief Counsel Jill Holtzman Vogel said at the time.

Kerry’s adviser Michael Meehan claimed at the time: "This frivolous complaint is not worth the paper it is written on. John Kerry and his campaign have nothing to do with these ads or the groups that run them."

But as NewsMax has now proven, DNC’s own Web site and Kerry himself disprove that assertion. The chief question that remains is how the Times and the rest of the media establishment can continue to ignore the Democrat deceit.

Instead of doing research into Kerry’s questionable ties, the Times today was content again to parrot his latest attack ad as one of the lead stories on its Web site: “Kerry TV Ad Pins Veterans’ Attack Firmly on Bush.”

Yet the Times did not run a lead headline when Steve Schmidt, a spokesman for Bush-Cheney '04, neatly summed up the Democrats’ desperate tactics on Friday:

“Real coordination is what John Kerry's campaign has been engaged in with the Media Fund, America Coming Together, and MoveOn.org. The revolving door of personnel, coordinated strategies and overlapping fundraising between the Democrat 527s and the Kerry campaign is a flagrant disregard of the spirit and letter of the campaign finance reform law."

[kezarmyaj]

OMG FLIP FLOPPER

[Adam D]

The discussion isn't about who's linked to who, but who's campaign is lying and what campaign isn't playing by the rules.

[johnny861]

Originally Posted by stargazer

pssst... both kerry and bush are both going to be bad for this country.. nothing can save us now.. we are all going to hell!!!!!1111

It's like two monkeys throwing shit in the cage and the other monkeys are reacting...

[Big Andy]

One important missing detail.


All of those things are clearly outlined on the DNC's own website are they not?


So whether it's right or wrong, they are being honest and up front about their involvement. Bush's advisor was dismissed rather abruptly once they said, "Oh shit! this guy's in that commercial bitching about Kerry!" They launched the offensive, slinging mud needlessly and without any real issue or relevant information (or even credible information). Then turned around and canned a member of the administration, claiming ignorance. I find that hard to believe. One would think Mr. Bush's administration would have had their ducks in a row and canned him before the ad's came out. My personal opinion is that they thought they could get away with it, and then realized they couldn't.

I don't see how anything posted in the original article of this thread is remotely similar. Regardless of blatantly obvious fact that moveon and the dem party are on the same side of the fence.

[USAcommitteeX]

The discussion isn't about who's linked to who, but who's campaign is lying and what campaign isn't playing by the rules.

We need to help out John Kerry. We need to join forces and help him do a 180, as in Standard Form 180 – the form used to authorize the release of military records. Let’s send John Kerry his 180.

All he has to do is sign it and his records will be released, quickly showing who is lying and who is telling the truth.

www.iowapresidentialwatch.com

[Big Andy]

Originally Posted by USAcommitteeX

We need to help out John Kerry. We need to join forces and help him do a 180, as in Standard Form 180 – the form used to authorize the release of military records. Let’s send John Kerry his 180.

All he has to do is sign it and his records will be released, quickly showing who is lying and who is telling the truth.

www.iowapresidentialwatch.com

Because military records show Bush to be a great american war hero, I tell ya what.


Back to the lesser of 2 evils thing. I would rather have a determined guy with a vision exagerrate some good deeds to try and garner some votes, then have some guy who was coked out of his gourd getting DWI's during the same time period. Not to mention that the specifics of military involvement 30 years ago is a moot point at this stage in determining either candidate's ability to do the job effectively.

[USAcommitteeX]

Because military records show Bush to be a great american war hero, I tell ya what.

...just pointing out that Kerry isn't telling all either. Using coke doesn't make you a bad guy does it? How many in this forum have used it? Are they bad people?

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Because military records show Bush to be a great american war hero, I tell ya what.

What military records? You mean the ones he filled out himself? He has more medals than any decorated war hero EVER here in America in the shortest amount of time. Isn't that strange to you?

You aren't supposed to recommend yourself for medals. Your upper-commanders and doctors do that. He made sure he received those medals. And with the 8MM film buisness.

That's unheard of.

[DJPePe]

Originally Posted by USAcommitteeX

...just pointing out that Kerry isn't telling all either. Using coke doesn't make you a bad guy does it? How many in this forum have used it? Are they bad people?

Difference between those in the forum and Bush is that Bush is the President of the United States, while none of us are. So your point is moot

To add, none of us are fundamentalist Christians like Bushie is, so that's what makes him a hypocrite. Republicans can't accuse Clinton of immorality when Bush isn't an angel, now is he ?

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Kerry filled out his Bronze Star recommendation form? Really? It says on the form that George Elliot (SwiftBoatVets) filled it out, and signed it.

> The actual forms <

Originally Posted by bfp

What military records? You mean the ones he filled out himself? He has more medals than any decorated war hero EVER here in America in the shortest amount of time. Isn't that strange to you?

You aren't supposed to recommend yourself for medals. Your upper-commanders and doctors do that. He made sure he received those medals. And with the 8MM film buisness.

That's unheard of.

[bfp]

Originally Posted by question

Kerry filled out his Bronze Star recommendation form? Really? It says on the form that George Elliot (SwiftBoatVets) filled it out, and signed it.

> The actual forms <

The 3 purple hearts. That's what the fuss is about, and the injuries that he recieved to get the purple hearts were small scratches that were not treated.

He recommended himself for those medals, and he still has the records and will not release them.

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Ah. You were being very general. I thought you were talking about all the medals.

Actually, it says in that report that Kerry was wounded when the land mind that caused Rassman to fall into the water, exploded.

Seems to me that's being wounded during combat, and justify a Purple Heart.

Originally Posted by bfp

The 3 purple hearts. That's what the fuss is about, and the injuries that he recieved to get the purple hearts were small scratches that were not treated.

He recommended himself for those medals, and he still has the records and will not release them.

[bfp]

Originally Posted by question

Ah. You were being very general. I thought you were talking about all the medals.

Actually, it says in that report that Kerry was wounded when the land mind that caused Rassman to fall into the water, exploded.

Seems to me that's being wounded during combat.

Where are the reports? From the swift vets view of things, Kerry was the only leiutenant that bolted after a boat 50 yards away went over a water-mine and it exploded. Kerry's boat was safe from the explosion. Rassman fell into the water after Kerry took off.


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Statement By Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Member Larry Thurlow

I am convinced that the language used in my citation for a Bronze Star was language taken directly from John Kerry's report which falsely described the action on the Bay Hap River as action that saw small arms fire and automatic weapons fire from both banks of the river.

To this day, I can say without a doubt in my mind, along with other accounts from my shipmates -- there was no hostile enemy fire directed at my boat or at any of the five boats operating on the river that day.

I submitted no paperwork for a medal nor did I file an after action report describing the incident. To my knowledge, John Kerry was the only officer who filed a report describing his version of the incidents that occurred on the river that day.

It was not until I had left the Navy -- approximately three months after I left the service -- that I was notified that I was to receive a citation for my actions on that day.

I believed then as I believe now that I received my Bronze Star for my efforts to rescue the injured crewmen from swift boat number three and to conduct damage control to prevent that boat from sinking. My boat and several other swift boats went to the aid of our fellow swift boat sailors whose craft was adrift and taking on water. We provided immediate rescue and damage control to prevent boat three from sinking and to offer immediate protection and comfort to the injured crew.

After the mine exploded, leaving swift boat three dead in the water, John Kerry's boat, which was on the opposite side of the river, fled the scene. US Army Special Forces officer Jim Rassmann, who was on Kerry's boat at the time, fell off the boat and into the water. Kerry's boat returned several minutes later -- under no hail of enemy gunfire -- to retrieve Rassmann from the river only seconds before another boat was going to pick him up.

Kerry campaign spokespersons have conflicting accounts of this incident -- the latest one being that Kerry's boat did leave but only briefly and returned under withering enemy fire to rescue Mr. Rassmann. However, none of the other boats on the river that day reported enemy fire nor was anyone wounded by small arms action. The only damage on that day was done to boat three -- a result of the underwater mine. None of the other swift boats received damage from enemy gunfire.

And in a new development, Kerry campaign officials are now finally acknowledging that while Kerry's boat left the scene, none of the other boats on the river ever left the damaged swift boat. This is a direct contradiction to previous accounts made by Jim Rassmann in the Oregonian newspaper and a direct contradiction to the "No Man Left Behind" theme during the Democratic National Convention.

These ever changing accounts of the Bay Hap River incident by Kerry campaign officials leave me asking one question. If no one ever left the scene of the Bay Hap River incident, how could anyone be left behind?
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[question]

The report is in the recommendation form that Elliot filled out. I linked it. Did you even read it?

Originally Posted by bfp

Where are the reports? From the swift vets view of things, Kerry was the only leiutenant that bolted after a boat 50 yards away went over a water-mine and it exploded. Kerry's boat was safe from the explosion. Rassman fell into the water after Kerry took off.


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Statement By Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Member Larry Thurlow

I am convinced that the language used in my citation for a Bronze Star was language taken directly from John Kerry's report which falsely described the action on the Bay Hap River as action that saw small arms fire and automatic weapons fire from both banks of the river.

To this day, I can say without a doubt in my mind, along with other accounts from my shipmates -- there was no hostile enemy fire directed at my boat or at any of the five boats operating on the river that day.

I submitted no paperwork for a medal nor did I file an after action report describing the incident. To my knowledge, John Kerry was the only officer who filed a report describing his version of the incidents that occurred on the river that day.

It was not until I had left the Navy -- approximately three months after I left the service -- that I was notified that I was to receive a citation for my actions on that day.

I believed then as I believe now that I received my Bronze Star for my efforts to rescue the injured crewmen from swift boat number three and to conduct damage control to prevent that boat from sinking. My boat and several other swift boats went to the aid of our fellow swift boat sailors whose craft was adrift and taking on water. We provided immediate rescue and damage control to prevent boat three from sinking and to offer immediate protection and comfort to the injured crew.

After the mine exploded, leaving swift boat three dead in the water, John Kerry's boat, which was on the opposite side of the river, fled the scene. US Army Special Forces officer Jim Rassmann, who was on Kerry's boat at the time, fell off the boat and into the water. Kerry's boat returned several minutes later -- under no hail of enemy gunfire -- to retrieve Rassmann from the river only seconds before another boat was going to pick him up.

Kerry campaign spokespersons have conflicting accounts of this incident -- the latest one being that Kerry's boat did leave but only briefly and returned under withering enemy fire to rescue Mr. Rassmann. However, none of the other boats on the river that day reported enemy fire nor was anyone wounded by small arms action. The only damage on that day was done to boat three -- a result of the underwater mine. None of the other swift boats received damage from enemy gunfire.

And in a new development, Kerry campaign officials are now finally acknowledging that while Kerry's boat left the scene, none of the other boats on the river ever left the damaged swift boat. This is a direct contradiction to previous accounts made by Jim Rassmann in the Oregonian newspaper and a direct contradiction to the "No Man Left Behind" theme during the Democratic National Convention.

These ever changing accounts of the Bay Hap River incident by Kerry campaign officials leave me asking one question. If no one ever left the scene of the Bay Hap River incident, how could anyone be left behind?
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