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08-23-04, 05:18 PM
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what are your thoughts on military personnel receiving hazardous pay for being IraQ OR any other hazardous location in the world? Personally, I dont think they should receive any more money just because they are in a dangerous enviroment. Police officers and Fire fighters dont receive any more pay if they are patroling a gang infested neighborhood or if they are fighting a blazing forest fire. They know their job comes with these possible risks as do all the men who sign up in the millitary. They know the chance that they may have to fight in a war or be stationed in a hotspot is great so why should they be paid extra? Whats your thoughts?
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08-23-04, 05:29 PM
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Police officers also aren't in countries thousands of miles away from their family, in countries where people want them dead, or constantly under fire. Combat comes with the territory, but it's not the primary responsibility of the role. You don't think that Civil Engineering Specialists shouldn't get Hazardous Duty pay when they're trying to restore civil services (ie: water, power) in war torn areas? They should risk their lives to restore basic needs to people without any compensation? A FireFighters JOB is to fight fires. A police officers JOB is to fight crime. In peace time, a soldiers primary duty is to fufill whatever role he chose in his/her branch. Whether it's a mechanic, a computer programmer, or a nurse. That's their primary function. Fighting in combat is secondary. And seeing how we're not always at war, combat and hazardous duty pay are fair. It's easy to say it's not right, when you're not working 36+ hour shifts, with bullets whizzing past your head. Quote:
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08-23-04, 05:33 PM
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yeah, but thats what their job consits of. Im not saying what their doing isnt dangerous but if i was to join the military i know that war and peace keeping duties is part of my job. cool... just wanted other peoples thoughts
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08-23-04, 05:37 PM
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Soldiers face the clink if they go AWOL.... I think they should deffinitely get Hazard Pay......
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08-23-04, 05:48 PM
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Police that work in gang neighborhoods, are generally in specialized "gang units" and do receive more pay. Fire Fighters called out, unless in a volunteer brigade, receive more compensation if I recall correctly. But it's also their job to risk their life. Peace time, and peace keeping duties are two completely different things. Peace keeping is going into unstable areas, and don't just that. Keeping the peace. That has it's inherent risks. Also, combat and peace keeping missions are grueling. 36+ hour shifts. That's 36 hours, with no sleep. So not only are they taken away from their families, and put in the line of fire which is incredibly stressful, they're forced to stay up for long drawn out periods of time. I'm on-call 24/7, and receive overtime pay. Being on-call is apart of my job duties, but it doesn't mean that it's not an inconvience to be at someone else's beck and call 24/7. Extra pay for soldiers goes along the same lines. It's apart of their job, but it also disrupts their life pretty extremely. I doubt you'd go to combat and be torn away from your family without wanting some kind of extra compensation. Quote:
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08-23-04, 05:58 PM
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im not arguing with you that their job is difficult. They are away from loved ones, constantly under the fear of being shot at or the long hours that they put in can be stressfull. The cops that work in the gang unit are probably paid higher because they chose to so that work and it becomes their job. They understand the risks. When you sign up for the military they inform you of your job duties and the risk that come with them. Nothing is hidden from them. They know that they will be away from their families. They are fully aware all of these possible scenerios. I just dont agree with it.
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08-23-04, 05:59 PM
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military salaries aren't very much, every bit helps, especially if you run the risk of getting your balls blown off.
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08-23-04, 06:02 PM
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considering they dont have to pay for rent or any other utilities i think the pay is adequate. Plus, they dont pay taxes on any of their purchases that are made on the base. They get goods at a severely reduced price.
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08-23-04, 09:36 PM
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I recieved hazardous pay and flight deck pay which was only 300 bucks a month which I must say is only $10 bucks a day. I dont know if you know but working on a flight deck is the most dangerous place known to man in the world. I worked 12 hour shifts, always on the go, ive been out in the heat when it was 120+ and I was away from my loved ones for half a year while my friends were all in the States enjoying there freedom. Give our service men/women a break. They need some kinda extra bonus for going overseas to a hostile country and putting there lives on the line. That is why it is called hazzardous duty pay.
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08-23-04, 09:55 PM
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but when you signed up you were well aware of what you were getting yourself into. I bring this up because my friend left for the navy the other day and we talked about this issue. i was talking shit to him that he doesnt extra pay for doing his job. Thats it.
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08-23-04, 11:14 PM
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You don't get to choose to be on a fligth deck. They put you there. Quote:
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08-23-04, 11:49 PM
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but you chose the military and the possiblity of being put on aircradt carrier was always there. Its not a complete surprise
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