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Old 08-24-04, 01:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Bush criticizes anti-Kerry TV ad

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By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) on Monday criticized a commercial that accused John Kerry (news - web sites) of inflating his own Vietnam War record, more than a week after the ad stopped running, and said broadcast attacks by outside groups have no place in the race for the White House.

"I think they're bad for the system," added Bush, who had ignored calls to condemn the ad while it was on the air.

Democrats criticized the president's remarks at the same time they worked to limit the political damage from the ad which they denounce as a smear sanctioned by Bush and his high command.

"The moment of truth came and went, and the president still couldn't bring himself to do the right thing," Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards (news - web sites) said in a statement. "We need a president with the strength and integrity to say when something is wrong."

"Too little, too late," added party chairman Terry McAuliffe.

Campaign surrogates worked throughout the day to rebut the claims made by Kerry's detractors.

"The fourth Purple Heart could have been an AK-47 through his heart," said Rich Baker, who served on a swift boat in Vietnam at the same time as Kerry. He was referring to weekend comments by former Republican Sen. Bob Dole of Kansas — grievously wounded in World War II — that Kerry had won three Purple Hearts "and never bled that I know of."

Dole's comment drew a morning-after phone call from Kerry, his colleague in the Senate for more than a decade. "He said he was disappointed. And I said, 'John, I didn't mean to offend you,'" Dole told CNN, the same network where he appeared on Sunday.

Other Swift Boat veterans came forward over the weekend to verify the events that Kerry's detractors have challenged.

The controversy over the ad aired by Swift Boat Veterans For Truth has roiled the race for the White House during what is customarily a quiet summer interlude between political conventions.

While attacking the ad, Democrats have also said privately that Kerry and his campaign were slow to recognize the potential danger in the attack. The four-term Massachusetts senator, who came home from Vietnam with five medals, has made his wartime service a cornerstone of his challenge to the president.

Sean McCabe, a spokesman for the veterans' group, said the ad that questioned Kerry's record ran in three states for a week and stopped on Aug. 12. The organization intends to begin airing a second commercial on Tuesday in three other states. That spot intersperses clips of a youthful Kerry talking about war atrocities during an appearance before Congress in 1971 with images of members of the swift boat group condemning his testimony.

Asked about the issue, Bush said, "I think Senator Kerry served admirably and he ought to be proud of his record. But the question is who is best to lead the country in the war on terror? Who can handle the responsibilities of the commander in chief? Who's got a clear vision of the risks that the country faces?"

Bush criticized the groups' first commercial and all other outside group attack ads — many of which have targeted his own re-election.

"That means that ad, every other ad," he said. "I can't be more plain about it. And I wish — I hope my opponent joins me in saying — condemning these activities of the 527s. It's — I think they're bad for the system. That's why I signed the bill, McCain-Feingold."

Bush's comment about 527s was a reference to independent groups that raise money in unlimited amounts. The so-called McCain-Feingold bill, a campaign finance overhaul bill which Bush signed reluctantly earlier in his term, banned the political parties from raising such funds.

While Kerry and Democrats have demanded that Bush condemn the attack on his war record, the president has been targeted by an estimated $60 million in commercials by outside groups since the campaign began.

Kerry has declined to call for an end to those ads, which helped him at a time when he did not have the funds to compete with Bush' campaign advertising budget.

At the same time, Kerry's aides and campaign argue heatedly that the commercial that challenged Kerry's war record was demonstrably false — and fit a GOP pattern. Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., was subjected to a similar attack four years ago during the campaign for the GOP presidential nomination, they said, and former Georgia Sen. Max Cleland's patriotism impugned in an re-election race he lost two years ago.

"This can't be tolerated," said Sen. Jack Reed (news, bio, voting record), D-R.I., who participated in a campaign conference call during the day.

McCain, who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam for nearly six years, has urged Bush to denounce the ad the day it began running. Cleland came home from the war a triple amputee.

The Bush campaign denies any involvement with the group.
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It's funny it took 2 ads, a complaint with the FEC, and one of their advisers appearing in an ad, to get Bush to vaguely denounce it. I heard his "denouncement" on NPR yesterday. It was very generalized, and vague. He never said specifically, just affirmed what reporters said.
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His initial critique of the ad wasn't so much towards that ad as all 3rd party ads. I'm not surprised he was slow to criticize the ad, he's been slow to criticize a lot of things(Rumsfeld, Tenet, etc.).
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For me, it says a lot about his character, and what his values really are. But that's simply my opinion. The tone and inflection he used was almost annoyed. It wasn't suprising, but really disheartening. So vague, and non-specific.

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His initial critique of the ad wasn't so much towards that ad as all 3rd party ads. I'm not surprised he was slow to criticize the ad, he's been slow to criticize a lot of things(Rumsfeld, Tenet, etc.).
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For me, it says a lot about his character, and what his values really are. But that's simply my opinion. The tone and inflection he used was almost annoyed. It wasn't suprising, but really disheartening. So vague, and non-specific.
I don't think it's so much a character issue as a values issue(I realize I'm splitting the hair awfully fine). The Republican party is very disciplined about showing a singular stance on issues and they generally make calculated choices on how to react to each situation, hence why their reaction to issues can be slow at times. There's good and bad consequences to that stance, depending on your view.
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I think in this situation, it's going to have negative consequences simply because of the timing, and lack of substance in the statement made by Bush.

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I think in this situation, it's going to have negative consequences simply because of the timing, and lack of substance in the statement made by Bush.
That's pretty much how I reacted to the Rumsfeld/Abu Gharaib situation.
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I agree completely there as well.

On that note, I find it ironic that Rumsfeld publicly took responsibility for what happened, but he's not facing any charges.

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I agree completely there as well.

On that note, I find it ironic that Rumsfeld publicly took responsibility for what happened, but he's not facing any charges.
It still may come. Generally in a criminal investigation such as this, they start with the small fish and work their way up. Reference the Enron scandal, they started with the managers and worked their way up to the CEO. I'm not saying this will happen with Rumsfeld(though the likelihood is higher with Bush out of office imo), but it's still possible.
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