opposition to singler payer health care...

[Adam D]

...let's hear it.

[johnny861]

Well, it has many similarities to Medicare, so if you agree with how Medicare works, you might be inclined to agree with single payer healthcare...

As for me, I'm not for sure... I still haven't formed any solid thoughts on dealing with our healthcare problems...

It's an interesting system though...

[Trey Brister]

Originally Posted by Adam D

opposition to singler payer health care...... let's hear it.

How bout this. He who pays for healthcare rations the frequency and is in control of the quality of care I receive..

I would rather be in control myself.

How bout you who consider our government to be malevelovent. Would you rather they be in control of your health?

[Adam D]

Originally Posted by Trey Brister

How bout this. He who pays for healthcare rations the frequency and is in control of the quality of care I receive..

I would rather be in control myself.

How bout you who consider our government to be malevelovent. Would you rather they be in control of your health?

The idea isn't to give the government complete authority over healthcare, rather it would better control prices of insurance, and then you would select an insurance company to administer your policy. Basically, the government would function as a single actuary and a central bill processor.

Although personally I would rather see a universal system set up.

I can understand why you would question my support for a governmental program. I can give you a very clear answer. No matter how malevolent the government might be, health insurance companies, on this issue, are far more malevolent. Without the low level of existing regulation, our health insurance would likely be much more than it is now.

Originally Posted by Adam D

I can understand why you would question my support for a governmental program. I can give you a very clear answer. No matter how malevolent the government might be, health insurance companies, on this issue, are far more malevolent. Without the low level of existing regulation, our health insurance would likely be much more than it is now.

This is pretty much the crux isn't it?

Whom do you distrust most?

[Adam D]

Originally Posted by xiannaix

This is pretty much the crux isn't it?

Whom do you distrust most?

In this instance....


...my employer.

Originally Posted by Adam D

In this instance....


...my employer.

This issue would be much easier if it didn't involve such detestable alternatives...

and - as a matter of general principal you know which I despise more

[Trey Brister]

Originally Posted by Adam D

The idea isn't to give the government complete authority over healthcare, rather it would better control prices of insurance, and then you would select an insurance company to administer your policy. Basically, the government would function as a single actuary and a central bill processor.

Although personally I would rather see a universal system set up.

I can understand why you would question my support for a governmental program. I can give you a very clear answer. No matter how malevolent the government might be, health insurance companies, on this issue, are far more malevolent. Without the low level of existing regulation, our health insurance would likely be much more than it is now.

What if your idea to control prices results in the providers being no longer able to give quality service. Why impose a price that no one can exceed. What if someone who can afford it wants a greater quality of service and wants to pay for it.

Better yet, why not allow nurses to practice routine medicine out of their own offices for a more reasonable price and refer serious cases to doctors. That could lower prices.

[Trey Brister]

Originally Posted by Adam D

Originally Posted by xiannaix
This is pretty much the crux isn't it?

Whom do you distrust most?


In this instance....


...my employer.

You distrust the benefactor that pays you and trust the thief that takes from you?

[Adam D]

Originally Posted by Trey Brister

You distrust the benefactor that pays you and trust the thief that takes from you?

In this case, yes. Although the "benefactor" pays me well, I know that comes with shitty work hours (although that is mainly due to my immediate supervision than the actual company), but most of all it comes by screwing around the insured. In fact, part of their premiums goes to a seperate division of the company that specializes in maneuvering around state regulations, lobbies against regulation, and tries to strongarm state regulators into allowing the company to raise rates. So you have insured consumers paying for their own premiums to rise. If you have never taken a good, internal look at the health insurance industry you cannot imagine how morally repugnant much of it is.

[Adam D]

Originally Posted by Trey Brister

What if your idea to control prices results in the providers being no longer able to give quality service. Why impose a price that no one can exceed. What if someone who can afford it wants a greater quality of service and wants to pay for it.

Basically the idea is that the government would approve a slate of plans, and you would choose from them. If you want a very expensive plan, then you can select that. You can decide who you want to administer the plan, and what healthcare facility you choose to visit.

Better yet, why not allow nurses to practice routine medicine out of their own offices for a more reasonable price and refer serious cases to doctors. That could lower prices.

Not a bad idea, but a different subject.