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Old 11-02-04, 12:50 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Old 11-02-04, 12:50 PM   #17 (permalink)
 
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the way i see it, if i am not going to be happy with any of them then it won't really bother me who makes it into office. someone is going to and that someone is going to be either bush or kerry, regardless. if i vote, i'll bitch and if i don't i will still bitch. it just isn't at the top of my to do list. i have other worries in my personal world that i would rather spend my time and energies on.
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Old 11-02-04, 12:52 PM   #18 (permalink)
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It's good to know that the future and fate of your country isn't something worth spending time or energy on.

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the way i see it, if i am not going to be happy with any of them then it won't really bother me who makes it into office. someone is going to and that someone is going to be either bush or kerry, regardless. if i vote, i'll bitch and if i don't i will still bitch. it just isn't at the top of my to do list. i have other worries in my personal world that i would rather spend my time and energies on.
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Old 11-02-04, 12:56 PM   #19 (permalink)
 
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well i don't plan on staying in this country. it is a choice and my right. surprisingly, i know a lot of people who will be excersizing that right.
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Old 11-02-04, 12:57 PM   #20 (permalink)
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the way i see it, if i am not going to be happy with any of them then it won't really bother me who makes it into office. someone is going to and that someone is going to be either bush or kerry, regardless. if i vote, i'll bitch and if i don't i will still bitch. it just isn't at the top of my to do list. i have other worries in my personal world that i would rather spend my time and energies on.
That's called Apathy. And If I was your friend, I would be mad at you also. I certainly wouldn't disown you or anything like that. However, I would do everything I could to make you understand the importance of your vote.

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Old 11-02-04, 01:24 PM   #21 (permalink)
 
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one of my rights as an american is to choose NOT to vote. and what GOOD choice is there? for you there may be one, not for me.
Yes, you do. You have a right to be as complacent, misinformed, and uninvolved as you want to be. If you want to be told how to live without even having ever said a word about it, then yes, you can do that in this country. And if you want to give a free pass to our government to do anything to anyone in the world for any reason they see fit and not ever give a damn, then you have that right too.
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Old 11-02-04, 01:24 PM   #22 (permalink)
 
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It's good to know that the future and fate of your country isn't something worth spending time or energy on.



sorry scott.... but YOU have absolutely NOTHING to do with the FATE of our COUNTRY.... all voting does is make you feel like you have some control and choice. Which you DO have.... but but after these elections are over.....you still wont have control and choice about what our gov't truly wants to do. Even if the entire nation voted on subject A...and the govt wanted to do subject B.....the govt will find a way to do it, regardless. Im not saying voting is a waste..... but I def believe in a persons right to not vote. It does NOT mean they are voting their rights away....b/c its their right NOT to do it.
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Old 11-02-04, 01:26 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Okay John. You can be a defeatist all you want, but you can't convince me that what I do means nothing. Thena gain, I understand that in order for the system to work, you have to work the system.

You'd rather just give up and pretend that you don't have any power because it's easier than actually taking part and being involved.

If you don't vote, then you don't have any say in anything that goes on in the country. So you voting your rights away. People with attitudes like yourselves are the reason that things are the way they are now. It's easier to give up and admit defeat than it is to put forth the effort.

At least when things do change, I know that I will have taken an active role in that change and I did my part to see it through.

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sorry scott.... but YOU have absolutely NOTHING to do with the FATE of our COUNTRY.... all voting does is make you feel like you have some control and choice. Which you DO have.... but but after these elections are over.....you still wont have control and choice about what our gov't truly wants to do. Even if the entire nation voted on subject A...and the govt wanted to do subject B.....the govt will find a way to do it, regardless. Im not saying voting is a waste..... but I def believe in a persons right to not vote. It does NOT mean they are voting their rights away....b/c its their right NOT to do it.
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Yes, you do. You have a right to be as complacent, misinformed, and uninvolved as you want to be. If you want to be told how to live without even having ever said a word about it, then yes, you can do that in this country. And if you want to give a free pass to our government to do anything to anyone in the world for any reason they see fit and not ever give a damn, then you have that right too.


just because you dont vote doesnt mean you are going to be TOLD how to live one way or the other...... and as far as being informed goes.... only the upper echelon of the elite and politicians are truly informed. If you think otherwise, than you are the one who is misinformed, or mislead rather. I dont know you credentials...you could be some political science major. But the average american is informed through the media in some form or fashion. And that is def not the source you should make decisions by....IMO.

oh and newsflash.....voting or not voting....our country has taken that free pass to do anything to anyone at anytime etc.......thats what makes us America, unfortunately.
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Old 11-02-04, 01:28 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Get out your tinfoil hat John, you need it.

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just because you dont vote doesnt mean you are going to be TOLD how to live one way or the other...... and as far as being informed goes.... only the upper echelon of the elite and politicians are truly informed. If you think otherwise, than you are the one who is misinformed, or mislead rather. I dont know you credentials...you could be some political science major. But the average american is informed through the media in some form or fashion. And that is def not the source you should make decisions by....IMO.
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Old 11-02-04, 01:29 PM   #26 (permalink)
 
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Get out your tinfoil hat John, you need it.



"They" have been here for years.....tinfoil didnt work....looking for better solution.

How ya been stranger? tis been awhile.
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just because you dont vote doesnt mean you are going to be TOLD how to live one way or the other...... and as far as being informed goes.... only the upper echelon of the elite and politicians are truly informed. If you think otherwise, than you are the one who is misinformed, or mislead rather. I dont know you credentials...you could be some political science major. But the average american is informed through the media in some form or fashion. And that is def not the source you should make decisions by....IMO.

oh and newsflash.....voting or not voting....our country has taken that free pass to do anything to anyone at anytime etc.......thats what makes us America, unfortunately.
OK, whatever. There is no sense in trying to argue with this logic.
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Old 11-02-04, 01:34 PM   #28 (permalink)
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/tinfoil!

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OK, whatever. There is no sense in trying to argue with this logic.
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this thread is now so fool of self-rightesous bullshit that it makes me want to puke...

however, thats about right for this forum and people of the same mindset
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Old 11-02-04, 01:35 PM   #30 (permalink)
 
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to each their own. can't we all just get along. peace.
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