Bush will suffer the same fate as Nixon

[DJPePe]

I'm predicting a major scandal will erupt either next year or the year after that which will humuliate not just Bush, but Cheney also, forcing them two to resign in disgrace.

History has proven that second terms can be quite shitty, as evident in the second terms of Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Richard Nixon, Dwight D Eisenhower, and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Discuss.

[:Psyborg]

They've been involved in plenty of huge humiliating scandals already, people just turn a blind eye because religion and anti-choice is more important to them

one scandal i can think of.... iraq.

[xryptic]

Originally Posted by :Psyborg

anti-choice

Last time I checked, none of the Dem. presidents gave me a choice in whether or not I wanted to pay taxes.

All government is anti-choice.

[:Psyborg]

Originally Posted by xryptic

Last time I checked, none of the Dem. presidents gave me a choice in whether or not I wanted to pay taxes.

All government is anti-choice.

excuse me, anti-pro choice

[xryptic]

Originally Posted by :Psyborg

excuse me, anti-pro choice

Next time you run into someone who's had an abortion, be sure to ask them if they checked with the baby before killing it.

[:Psyborg]

Originally Posted by xryptic

Next time you run into someone who's had an abortion, be sure to ask them if they checked with the baby before killing it.

regardless of yours or my views on abortion my statement about bush's humialiating scandals still stands.

[USAcommitteeX]

Damn baby killers...what if your mother aborted you?

[JJCHIANESE]

Originally Posted by stargazer

since you are against the death penalty... what if someone raped and then murdered your mother? what kind of punishment is suitable for that person?

I'd kill 'em myself.

That makes me no more right than the person who'd flip the switch if they were so-called "brought to justice."

Killing is wrong, no matter how you dress it up, in the end, it is what it is.

[JJCHIANESE]

Originally Posted by stargazer

okay but what do you think the law should do about a situation like that?

There's more focus on enacting punishment than there is on rehabilitation in our judicial system. The system is broken on so many levels it's hard to go into where to start.

There's more subtle and humane ways to remove the "criminal element" from society, but behaving vengefully seems to be apparent human nature on all levels, and until that changes the person, more than likely, would be sentenced to death.

I personally feel that the prospect of just one life being taken in error would be enough for me to put the dice down and say "you know what, I don't want to take that chance." Then again, unlike Bush and a majority of politicians, I still have my conscience to answer to.

[JJCHIANESE]

Originally Posted by stargazer

i think that the death penalty is one thing, in a larger group of things, that need to be done to keep people from becoming criminals. obviously the death penalty only applies to cases of murder, rape, and other harsher crimes...

you are right that alot of things need to continue to be done.. and new things to be done.. but i'm not so sure that getting rid of the death penalty is a good idea


i think one thing that could help out the situation is in regards to the drug war... i'm not really sure how its going since i dont do any drugs... BUT... i think the focus should be on prosecuting drug dealers and those who grow or create the drugs.. instead of those who use the drugs.. because once you stop the supply, then that stops the problem.... but i've also read stories about drug dealers who are in jail for longer than murderers are... so i dunno...

but there is no reason to get rid of the death penalty... and i dont think anyone is trying to anyway... i just brought it up because of what someone had said about it

The drug war is a major contributor to the problem, however, the blame is shared on both sides (government side and the "criminal side.")

Cross the board legalitzation does two things - undoubtedly invoke goverment regulation of the substances similar to tobacco and alcohol, and gives people their right to stupidity back. Initially taxpayers are going to carry more of a burden from a standpoint of treatment and rehabilitation facilities, but then again, these people are eventually all going to kill themselves off anyways.

Legalization is not going to lead to widespread disecration of America's youth, because as it stands it's easier for a 15 year old kid to get some coke or ecstasy than it is for him to get a fuckin' pack of cigarettes.

I have no compassion in this area because you're basically told since day 1 in this country that drugs are in a lost of instances unhealthy and you can wind up in the ground behind them............you choose not to listen to logic in a life or death situation and whatever happens to you afterwards is probably what you deserve.

[JJCHIANESE]

Originally Posted by stargazer

ehhh.... still, the U.S. Government cannot do something irresponsible like that to just legalize drugs... I've been told that marijuana is no more harmful than a tobacco cigarette.. and I really have no idea if it is or not, but even legalizing that would cause some negative waves in the country... but that is the only drug I can think of that I would ever vote to legalize, and even then I'd have to think about it some more.

I do agree that everyone should have a right to do the drugs if they want.. but since they are illegal right now, to make them legal would be too irresponsible considering the harm that they do.

I agree with you in theory. My views work well after further evolution in sociological thinking, which illustrates how far society has to go..............

From the time I was 16, until I was 23-24, I worked in the "trade" so I also have a different and some-what unique perspective of the topic. While it's insight that, in hindsight, I'd rather not have, it does have it's value, which allows me some sleep at night............

[Lisa]

Originally Posted by JJCHIANESE

There's more focus on enacting punishment than there is on rehabilitation in our judicial system.

do you know why that is?

how much criminal psychology have you read that has proven that there's good chance of rehabilitation? all of the research that i've done has told me that the great majority cannot be rehabilitated. by the time that the vast majority have made it into the criminal system, mental illness and/or personality disorders are so deep-seated that the odds are way against us in rehabilitation. seriously, personality disorders are next to impossible to rehabilitate anyhow, and that's the most threatening element of criminals.

we can spend all the money in the world just spinning our wheels trying to rehabilitate all of the prisoners, many of which are probably a lost cause anyway, or concentrate on the ones that come forward and ask for help. the greatest factor is that if someone doesn't want help, which applies to the majority of criminals, there is NO CHANCE of rehabilitation. you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

[Val]

It amazes me to no end how someone can be so against the death penalty in this country.. the entire system of appeals, how long and drawn out the process is.. ultimately the only winners are the lawyers.

I remember my father going to Turkey earlier this year and him coming back and telling me how the judicial system works there.. If you murder a person, rape somebody or other cold blooded acts against your fellow man, 2 witnesses confirming the act earns you an instant death sentence carried out immediately. No Appeals, Do not pass Go & do not collect $200, off with your head. involuntary manslaughter I believe is judged differently, but if you rape someone, or kill someone with the intention of doing it... Does anyone honestly believe that those people can be rehabilitated?

Eye for an Eye.. Tooth for a Tooth.. Seems to be the most effective justice.

[xryptic]

Originally Posted by Val

Eye for an Eye.. Tooth for a Tooth.. Seems to be the most effective justice.

1 + 1 != 0

[Adam D]

Originally Posted by Val

It amazes me to no end how someone can be so against the death penalty in this country.. the entire system of appeals, how long and drawn out the process is.. ultimately the only winners are the lawyers.

I remember my father going to Turkey earlier this year and him coming back and telling me how the judicial system works there.. If you murder a person, rape somebody or other cold blooded acts against your fellow man, 2 witnesses confirming the act earns you an instant death sentence carried out immediately. No Appeals, Do not pass Go & do not collect $200, off with your head. involuntary manslaughter I believe is judged differently, but if you rape someone, or kill someone with the intention of doing it... Does anyone honestly believe that those people can be rehabilitated?

Eye for an Eye.. Tooth for a Tooth.. Seems to be the most effective justice.

If I were you I would not be promoting Turkey as the bastion of justice.