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11-19-04, 05:44 AM
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Rules per Geneva? (do they apply here?) By that I mean, (and i may be wrong so tell me if i am) I thought you were NOT supposed to shoot a wounded enemy. He wasnt threatening the Marine, he was laying there alive, well he was. But Iraqi lives are worth less than US Soldiers eh? (and i dont wanna hear shit about how they behead our guys, guess what, we kill their four year olds, the innocent ones of families NOT fighting us, oops) I mean we bitch and bitch about how others fight dirty, yet we do it. not sure if this is an instance, but i know damn well we have been doing some messed up shit of late Last edited by john walker; 11-19-04 at 06:02 AM. |
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11-19-04, 05:58 AM
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copied from site: Convention I offers protections to wounded combatants, who are defined as members of the armed forces of a party to an international conflict, members of militias or volunteer corps including members of organized resistance movements as long as they have a well-defined chain of command, are clearly distinguishable from the civilian population, carry their arms openly, and obey the laws of war. (Convention I, Art. 13, Sec. 1 and Sec. 2) Ok, so heres where it gets fuzzy. 1. militias or organied resistance movements check 2. clearly distinguishable well, i am calling myself out on this one, they are NOT distiguishable, i know that from what i see and have heard form friends who were just here on leave. ok, i am dumby |
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11-19-04, 08:29 AM
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Once an enemy has been wounded he doesn't receive a special protection. Wounded people can fire weapons to. Surely rules of engagement provide direction as to when an enemy has "given up" such that he's protected by those rules. Whether the Marine violated those rules is undetermined.... even if many people are quick to judge him criminal. | |
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11-19-04, 08:32 AM
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I have yet to see an online petition do any good.
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11-19-04, 08:43 AM
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Well, My friend Casey just got back and he said...you cant tell who's who... Theres no uniforms, even for the Kurds who help. My opinion...its a war fucked up things will happen. Yes, we do bitch about the wrong things they do while turning the other cheeck to what we do...but, if you notice. The only incident that stay in the news for Weeks and months are the fucked up things we do. NEVER the good that we do. Hate sells, not when a Marine ( MY FRIEND CASEY) takes a bullet in arm and leg saving some 11 yr old girl whos about to get killed by her own people. |
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11-19-04, 09:25 AM
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Mental masturbation is a great thing. Quote:
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11-19-04, 09:49 AM
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Yeah, I don't think the military is going to put a lot of stock in an online petition, or any other sort of petition for that matter. Anyway, the guy obviously screwed up, so there should be some consequences. I think it was a mistake caused by a lot of stress, so I really hope the guy doesn't end up in the brig. But nevertheless, it was mistake that cost someone their life. If you want to petition to help the Marines, how about sending a petition around that would ban reporters from following the troops in a warzone. Many worse things than this happen all the time, this poor schmo just happened to get caught on camera.
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11-19-04, 11:52 AM
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i second that Ryan.....al this media is causing problems.... I mean we had to give up someone we had on the "inside" of terror org. because the media wanted to know why Bush was calling an allert ( the latest) I could rant all day on this, but it would do no good. |
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11-19-04, 11:58 AM
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We NEED those reporters in there. Not for morbid curiosity, but for ACCOUNTABILITY. As much as I dislike the press as a general whole, particularly concerning domestic affairs, the warzone is where I see those blood-sucking leeches actually being put to some good use. | |
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11-19-04, 12:25 PM
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I dont want to start an argument, but when the "war" was going on...you tell me how it was beneficial to have people like Geraldo following people around saying whats going on, what were doing, and so forth. Plus the only thing they ever report on is the negative. NEVER the positive. All the Media does here is tell us how bad were doing and how were always fucking up. All thats does is bring ?moral?sp? of people here at home. It also make people take a negative light on ou8r soldiers. Once again, im w/you Ryan......not trying to talk shit Mystery. |
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11-19-04, 12:30 PM
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Back here in the real world: if anything, the reporters at the very least allow some semblance & reminder of a connection back to the real world, and may very well keep some soldiers from going absolutely batshit over there. It's like little kids: if there are no parents around, they'll get into all sorts of crazy shit you never think they'd do otherwise. Group mentality is the very last thing that needs to go unchecked in a warzone. | |
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11-19-04, 12:42 PM
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Plus: if nobody sees the bad side, the rich bastard politicians will just keep sending other people's children out into situations which they will be faced with losing their humanity & sanity as this poor bastard soldier was. These things *need* to be known. Otherwise, things can and very definitely will get worse. | |
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