The Declaration of Independence, a violation of church and state?

[johnny861]

This might sound as funny as picking out notable passage in the bible about selling one's daughter into slavery, but here's a fun one:


There are already legal cases sprawling out about banning teachers from teaching children certain aspects of notable documents in American history due to references to "God".



One of these documents in question is the Declaration of Independence.

Is there a possibility that this document along with other documents and laws referencing God could be found in violation of the Constitution?

If this is a possibility, what legal rammifications can be had, if we happen to find a document like this in violation of the Constitution?

Do we have to draft a new declaration of independence? or do we have to succeed our union to the British Crown and allow them to decide to recognize our independence, if they so choose to.

We could possibly throw ourselves at the mercy of the United Nations and see if the members will officially recognize us. Otherwise, would our Constitution be seen as an act of treason by the British government, without a formal declaration of independence?

It's all fun, but with the way lawsuits are going these days, I would not be surprised at all.

Well... just in case, you guys might want to freshen up on the national anthem:

God save our gracious Queen!
Long live our noble Queen!
God save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the Queen.

[Adam D]

I don't see a problem with it, since it's taught as a historical document, rather than as a religious work.

[johnny861]

Originally Posted by Adam D

I don't see a problem with it, since it's taught as a historical document, rather than as a religious work.

True, but that "historical" argument has been used to attempt to keep religious items in place, like crosses on flags, etc... They all have some historical significance, but they don't necessarily win court cases... In a lot of these cases, they are seen as symbols of intimidation or violations of church and state.

[Johnny Funk]

The name of God is not clarified. I don't think any religion should have a problem with it.

[johnny861]

Originally Posted by Johnny Funk

The name of God is not clarified. I don't think any religion should have a problem with it.

Well, there's people that apparently do have issue with it, or there wouldn't be lawsuits...

[Adam D]

Originally Posted by johnny861

True, but that "historical" argument has been used to attempt to keep religious items in place, like crosses on flags, etc... They all have some historical significance, but they don't necessarily win court cases... In a lot of these cases, they are seen as symbols of intimidation or violations of church and state.

Indeed.

But flags are not only historical, but they are contemporary. The Declaration of Independence is only a historical document.

[Johnny Funk]

Originally Posted by johnny861

Well, there's people that apparently do have issue with it, or there wouldn't be lawsuits...

If they are American, and can not recognize the document's historical value due to it's reference to God, I suggest the concede their independance and go back to whatever remains of the British Empire.

I don't see a problem with it - its not law so how could it be unconstitutional?