San Francisco bans smoking in parks...

[transparentaura]

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Sometimes I think this citys motto should be changed to "Dedicated to Making Liberals Look like Wackos"
If the problem is the cigarette butts, why don't they just enforce the littering laws? As a liberal, I find this kind of government intrusiveness the antithesis of the tolerence I thought liberals should stand for.

[dfwtrader]

im conservative non smoker and find this type of legislation intrusive as well. what i find even more intrusive is dallas' and other major ciities having the same laws in place for private places of business. not that it is right, but i would think san fran has more of a leg to stand on due to the fact that the properties are owned by the city.

Originally Posted by transparentaura

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Sometimes I think this citys motto should be changed to "Dedicated to Making Liberals Look like Wackos"
If the problem is the cigarette butts, why don't they just enforce the littering laws? As a liberal, I find this kind of government intrusiveness the antithesis of the tolerence I thought liberals should stand for.

[Hey Bubu]

Dennis Leary comes to mind.

Smokes inside house, under the covers.......

[dfwtrader]

i think its like many of the nuisence laws, most people they never truly effect either socially or monetarily, but it puts a craw in my throat when a select group of ivory tower pundits, whether conservative or liberal try to ram that bs down my throat. its the same for smoking, helmet laws, seat belts....etc.....

im not saying down wear your seatbelt, its a smart thing to do, but come on quit wasting time legislating it.

Originally Posted by E-brake

In LA and San Francisco they have a lot of crazy laws for no smoking and they dont mean shit. I didnt go to a single bar or restraunt that wasnt full of smokers even tho its against the law. Its a smoke at your own risk policy now, the restraunt cant enforce the rule and provides ashtrays to prevent things from being burned. If the polic come in and youa re smoking they will write you a ticket, so the smokers congregate in packs so that they cant all be ticketed. Last week I smoked in countless restraunts and bars in both cities and was never questioned about it and never saw a single person get a ticket.

All the laws seem to have done is do away with the smoking section so now the non smokers are stuck right next to us blazing up, i figure it wont be to long before we will be doing the same in Dallas

[Hey Bubu]

The masses are asses and need to be told what to do

[dfwtrader]

hahaha....i think thats what most of these arrogant politicians think......and being involved in dallas city stuff....i think the politicians at the city level are the worst.

Originally Posted by TypeH

The masses are asses and need to be told what to do

[Satchel]

It's not just liberals promoting this type of agenda. A friend of mine is a prominent republican lobbyist in FL and they were working on similar legislation there. Not sure how that panned out though.

[dfwtrader]

you got that right this type of bs i on both sides of the aisle

Originally Posted by Satchel

It's not just liberals promoting this type of agenda. A friend of mine is a prominent republican lobbyist in FL and they were working on similar legislation there. Not sure how that panned out though.

[Satchel]

Personally I HATE cigarette smoke so I'm a little torn on most smokng bans. I'm very strong on personal freedoms, but I also think those freedoms shouldn't infringe on others. It's easy to say well don't go where there is smoking allowed, but why should I be the one to pay for others bad habits?

I think where I stand on this now is that in closed spaces, there should be adequte ventilation at the least. Zubar I think is a good example of this.

Outdoors I don't see where the problem is

[Satchel]

Requiring ventilation is communist? LMAO

[Satchel]

the second part of that statement is utterly ridiculous