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03-11-05, 09:15 PM
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 | What the FUCK? Children Said Among Abu Ghraib Prisoners??
Could someone fucking remind me who the good guys are supposed to be again? Children Said Among Abu Ghraib Prisoners Fri Mar 11,12:19 AM ET White House - AP Cabinet & State By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - Children held by the U.S. Army at Iraq (news - web sites)'s Abu Ghraib prison included one boy who appeared to be only about 8 years old, the former commander of the prison told investigators, according to a transcript. "He looked like he was eight years old. He told me he was almost 12," Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski told officials investigating prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib. "He told me his brother was there with him, but he really wanted to see his mother, could he please call his mother. He was crying." Karpinski's statement is among hundreds of pages of Army records about Abu Ghraib the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) released Thursday. The ACLU got the documents under a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking records about abuse of detainees in Iraq. Karpinski did not say what happened to the boy in her interview with Maj. Gen. George Fay. Military officials have previously acknowledged that some juvenile prisoners had been held at Abu Ghraib, a massive prison built by Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s government outside Baghdad. The transcript released Thursday is the first government document indicating that a child no older than 11 was held prisoner at Abu Ghraib. Military officials have said that no juvenile prisoners were subject to the abuses captured in photographs from Abu Ghraib. However, some of the men shown being stripped naked and humiliated had been accused of raping a 14-year-old prisoner. The documents released Thursday offer rare details about the children the U.S. military has held in Iraq. Karpinski said the Army began holding women and children in a high-security cellblock at Abu Ghraib in the summer of 2003 because the facility was better than lockups in Baghdad where they had been held. The documents also include statements from six witnesses who said three interrogators and a civilian interpreter at Abu Ghraib got drunk one night and took a 17-year-old female prisoner from her cell. The four men forced the girl to expose her breasts and kissed her, the reports said. The witnesses — whose names were blacked out of the documents given to the ACLU — said those responsible were not punished. Another soldier said in January 2004, troops poured water and smeared mud on the detained 17-year-old son of an Iraqi general and "broke" the general by forcing him to watch his son shiver in the cold. On another subject, Karpinski said she had seen written orders to hold a prisoner that the CIA (news - web sites) had captured without keeping records. The documents released by the ACLU also quote an unnamed Army officer at Abu Ghraib as saying military intelligence officers and the CIA worked out a written agreement on how to handle unreported detainees. An Army report issued last September said investigators could not find any copies of any such written agreement. The Pentagon (news - web sites) has acknowledged holding up to 100 "ghost detainees," keeping the prisoners off the books and away from humanitarian investigators from the International Committee of the Red Cross. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has defended the practice, saying he authorized it because the prisoners were "enemy combatants" not entitled to prisoner of war protections. The ACLU sued Rumsfeld earlier this month on behalf of four Iraqis and four Afghans who say they were tortured at U.S. military facilities. Rumsfeld and his spokesmen have repeatedly said that the defense secretary and his aides never authorized or condoned any abuses. Six enlisted soldiers have pleaded guilty to military charges for their roles in abuses at Abu Ghraib, and Pvt. Charles Graner Jr. was convicted at a court-martial earlier this year and sentenced to ten years in prison. Karpinski — one of the few generals to be criticized in Army detainee reports for poor leadership — quoted several senior generals in Iraq as making callous statements about prisoners. Karpinski said Maj. Gen. Walter Wodjakowski, then the No. 2 Army general in Iraq, told her in the summer of 2003 not to release more prisoners, even if they were innocent. "I don't care if we're holding 15,000 innocent civilians. We're winning the war," Karpinski said Wodjakowski told her. She said she replied: "Not inside the wire, you're not, sir."
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03-11-05, 09:42 PM
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I read that too. But fret not, my young friend, it will blow over in no time and quickly be forgotten
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03-11-05, 11:54 PM
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the military all the way up to the oval office.... | |
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03-12-05, 12:19 AM
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btw, usacommitteex, you say that you shouldn't judge the entire military on the acts of a few, I think you're right - so why does it seem like so many of us are judging arabs, muslims and other "non-westerners" on the acts of the few who crashed the planes on 11/9? Why did we visit the vengeance of that one attack, participated in and orchestrated by probably less than 100 people, by killing thousands of innocents? Could you explain that?
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03-12-05, 12:39 AM
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They need to be punished to the maxium effect and it needs to be made public for the world to see.
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03-12-05, 10:33 AM
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not only do we act upon them.... we act upon our own people like the gays and trying to prevent them from getting married..... we live in a fearful time and the ones in charge are the ones spreading the fear....... and they are idiots...... | |
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03-14-05, 11:25 AM
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[QUOTE=Krash]Damn right. why does it seem like so many of us are judging arabs, muslims and other "non-westerners" on the acts of the few who crashed the planes on 11/9?[QUOTE] Hey dipshit, it is "nine-one one" not 11 / 9 HAHA j/k
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03-14-05, 11:39 AM
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[QUOTE=Trey Brister][QUOTE=Krash]Damn right. why does it seem like so many of us are judging arabs, muslims and other "non-westerners" on the acts of the few who crashed the planes on 11/9? Quote:
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03-14-05, 12:44 PM
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Probably because of the footage of the millions of Arabs dancing in the street cheering and praising the attacks of 9/11 | |
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03-14-05, 12:45 PM
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TB knew Krash was using a different notation system - he was just goofing on it. And, its not military notation for the Brits. In fact, we use it here for some purposes as well (other than military) - some notation systems for academic writing use it as well. When one thinks about it .... day/month/year makes a lot more sense than month/day/year.... but hey, so does the metric system. | |
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