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molecule · 03-14-05, 02:49 PM

Those that accuse the US admin of going after certain "terrorist sponsoring regimes" while back scratching others (Saudi Arabia) because of oil needs, while at the same time attack the Admin for wanting to drill in Anwr, may need to take a closer look. Anwr is estimated to produce almost as much oil as Saudi Arabia does all together, and we are not talking about a large area of land here. We are talking about more oil than Texas and its coastal regoins produce coming from a
small fraction of an area that is itself less than 1 percent of Alaska. We are also not talking about rolling hills, streams, mountains, and rivers here either. We are talking about a frozen tundra, well north of the tree line.

Will this happen, not likely, democrats in Washington would rather have us be slaves to OPEC, while at the same time accusing Bush of doing nothing to fight rising oil prices.

http://www.anwr.org

Satchel · 03-14-05, 03:00 PM

I think I would be for this. My biggest concern is that the Bush admin has shown a complete disdain for the environment. I don't trust them or any of the right to show any concern for taking care of the area. If we can get some kind of balanced approach I would support this drilling. Maybe they can all get together and work out a nice compromise. Something like repeal the SUV tax incentives and give them to hybrids and maybe a few other concessions to the enovirnmentalists.

bfp · 03-14-05, 03:13 PM

Didn't we declare that part of the wild a piece of land that was to have never been touched? From what I've read, there is an estimated 10 billion barrels in that region of Alaska. Even with that amount of oil I still don't see how we can seperate ourselves from the middle-east. We consume almost 20M barrels of oil per day. I did the math the other day and came to the conclusion that if we relied upon the anwar capacity it would last just over 2 years.

I know that we would never do such a thing, but it just shows that the amount of oil that is supposed to be in Alaska really isn't that much. And I don't see how the prices would go down that much either.

Who knows.

03-14-05, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Satchel

I think I would be for this. My biggest concern is that the Bush admin has shown a complete disdain for the environment.

huh? example?

Krash · 03-14-05, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xiannaix

huh? example?

Dropping cluster bombs is generally considered to be unenvironmental

03-14-05, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Krash

Dropping cluster bombs is generally considered to be unenvironmental

damn hippy!

molecule · 03-14-05, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bfp

Didn't we declare that part of the wild a piece of land that was to have never been touched? From what I've read, there is an estimated 10 billion barrels in that region of Alaska. Even with that amount of oil I still don't see how we can seperate ourselves from the middle-east. We consume almost 20M barrels of oil per day. I did the math the other day and came to the conclusion that if we relied upon the anwar capacity it would last just over 2 years.

I know that we would never do such a thing, but it just shows that the amount of oil that is supposed to be in Alaska really isn't that much. And I don't see how the prices would go down that much either.

Who knows.

Im just saying it could go a long in helping us get off middle east oil, but probably not completely. The estimates I have seen, show ANWR being able to produce anually just less than what we buy from the Terror Hub Saudi Arabia, pile onto leaky tankers, and ship over to our shores. Don't get me wrong, Im all for environmental protections, and alternative fuel sources, hybrid tax breaks, and all that, but like Satchel says, we need a compromise.

Satchel · 03-14-05, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xiannaix

huh? example?

The Clear Skies Act?

03-14-05, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Satchel

The Clear Skies Act?

I need more than oblique reference

what is it? how is it harmful to the environment? how is GW responsible for it?

hawk · 03-14-05, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by molecule

Those that accuse the US admin of going after certain "terrorist sponsoring regimes" while back scratching others (Saudi Arabia) because of oil needs, while at the same time attack the Admin for wanting to drill in Anwr, may need to take a closer look. Anwr is estimated to produce almost as much oil as Saudi Arabia does all together, and we are not talking about a large area of land here. We are talking about more oil than Texas and its coastal regoins produce coming from a
small fraction of an area that is itself less than 1 percent of Alaska. We are also not talking about rolling hills, streams, mountains, and rivers here either. We are talking about a frozen tundra, well north of the tree line.

Will this happen, not likely, democrats in Washington would rather have us be slaves to OPEC, while at the same time accusing Bush of doing nothing to fight rising oil prices.

http://www.anwr.org

Fuel from corn, as gasohol, if they really want to do it. So sad, the oil company loby still run the country.

molecule · 03-14-05, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hawk

Fuel from corn, as gasohol, if they really want to do it. So sad, the oil company loby still run the country.

Im all for biodesiel, it will come, but if the oil company loby ran this country, would we be having this discussion? Nope, we'd be drillin already.

Hey Bubu · 03-14-05, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hawk

Fuel from corn, as gasohol, if they really want to do it. So sad, the oil company loby still run the country.

I remember reading a "document" that read that it would be too expensive and not cost effective to extract oil from corn. I wish I remember where that was and who wrote it. Propagandistic document with hints of un-biased research though.

03-14-05, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by molecule

Im all for biodesiel, it will come, but if the oil company loby ran this country, would we be having this discussion? Nope, we'd be drillin already.

"gasohol" is a joke.... I used to live in Minnesota which is prolly second only to Iowa in corn production

molecule · 03-14-05, 04:25 PM

I am admitably not an expert on alternative fuel sources, some say hydrogen, some say its a joke, some say biodesiel, or gasohol, and some say that won't work. All the more reason we need both; more alternative fuel research and production, and more domestic fuel production.

03-14-05, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by molecule

I am admitably not an expert on alternative fuel sources, some say hydrogen, some say its a joke, some say biodesiel, or gasohol, and some say that won't work. All the more reason we need both; more alternative fuel research and production, and more domestic fuel production.

yeah, we do need more research and production attempts w/alternatiev fuels....

I'm just saying gasohol is a dead end

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molecule Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,350	No Blood For Oil - We have plenty of our own Those that accuse the US admin of going after certain "terrorist sponsoring regimes" while back scratching others (Saudi Arabia) because of oil needs, while at the same time attack the Admin for wanting to drill in Anwr, may need to take a closer look. Anwr is estimated to produce almost as much oil as Saudi Arabia does all together, and we are not talking about a large area of land here. We are talking about more oil than Texas and its coastal regoins produce coming from a small fraction of an area that is itself less than 1 percent of Alaska. We are also not talking about rolling hills, streams, mountains, and rivers here either. We are talking about a frozen tundra, well north of the tree line. Will this happen, not likely, democrats in Washington would rather have us be slaves to OPEC, while at the same time accusing Bush of doing nothing to fight rising oil prices. http://www.anwr.org

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03-14-05, 03:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Satchel Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Plaino Posts: 2,973	I think I would be for this. My biggest concern is that the Bush admin has shown a complete disdain for the environment. I don't trust them or any of the right to show any concern for taking care of the area. If we can get some kind of balanced approach I would support this drilling. Maybe they can all get together and work out a nice compromise. Something like repeal the SUV tax incentives and give them to hybrids and maybe a few other concessions to the enovirnmentalists.

03-14-05, 03:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
bfp Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: McKidney Posts: 4,278	Didn't we declare that part of the wild a piece of land that was to have never been touched? From what I've read, there is an estimated 10 billion barrels in that region of Alaska. Even with that amount of oil I still don't see how we can seperate ourselves from the middle-east. We consume almost 20M barrels of oil per day. I did the math the other day and came to the conclusion that if we relied upon the anwar capacity it would last just over 2 years. I know that we would never do such a thing, but it just shows that the amount of oil that is supposed to be in Alaska really isn't that much. And I don't see how the prices would go down that much either. Who knows.

03-14-05, 04:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
molecule Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,350	I am admitably not an expert on alternative fuel sources, some say hydrogen, some say its a joke, some say biodesiel, or gasohol, and some say that won't work. All the more reason we need both; more alternative fuel research and production, and more domestic fuel production.