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HarleyDelight · 03-22-05, 04:52 PM

Way to go fucknut.
http://www.sierraclub.org/pressroom/...2005-01-27.asp

CONSERVATION GROUPS CHALLENGE PLAN TO LOG GIANT SEQUOIA FOREST
Groups Point to Neighboring National Park for Better Way to Manage National Treasure

San Francisco, CA -- Conservation organizations challenged the Bush administration's decision to log Giant Sequoia National Monument in federal court earlier today. The groups also encouraged the administration and the court to look to neighboring Sequoia National Park for a better way to manage the rare forest.

The Sierra Club, Sierra Nevada Forest Protection Campaign, Earth Island Institute, Tule River Conservancy, Sequoia Forest Keeper, and Center for Biological Diversity jointly filed the complaint in San Francisco Federal District Court.
"These magnificent giant Sequoia forests are found nowhere else on earth," explained Bruce Hamilton, Sierra Club Conservation Director. "It makes no sense for the Bush administration to sacrifice such a spectacular national treasure. It also happens to be illegal."
Giant Sequoia National Monument boasts two-thirds of all the Sequoia redwoods in the world, with most of the remainder found in the adjacent National Park. The popularity and awe-inspiring beauty of the Sequoia forest and its wildlife led President Bill Clinton permanently protect the forest as a National Monument under the Antiquities Act. Earlier, President George Bush Sr. had proclaimed the Sequoia groves off limits to commercial logging.
Earlier this month, the Bush administration officially reversed those policies by finalizing plans to allow what amounts to commercial logging in the Monument, including the prized Giant Sequoia groves. The administration's plan would allow 7.5 million board feet of timber to be removed annually from the Monument, enough to fill 1,500 logging trucks each year. This policy would include logging of healthy trees of any species as big as 30 inches in diameter or more. Trees that size can be as much as 200 years old.
"This plan opens up huge areas to logging and specifically targets trees big enough to sell, undermining the whole purpose of the Monument. The Bush administration is shirking its responsibility to current and future generations to take care of this ancient and treasured forest," added Carla Cloer, representing the Tule River Conservancy.
As a model for better management, the Sierra Club and others are asking the Bush administration to look to nearby Sequoia National Park, where innovative conservation and fire prevention strategies have reinvigorated the Sequoia groves and made nearby communities safer. "In stark contrast to the very successful management techniques used for decades by the National Park Service in the Sequoia National Park," reads the complaint, "[the Bush administration] approved a Giant Sequoia National Monument Management Plan... that would permit extensive logging and cause the degradation of old forest habitat and irreparable harm to the Monument’s wildlife, directly conflicting with the purposes of the Sequoia Monument."
"The plan proposed by the Forest Service reverts back to an outdated strategy that ignores the clear recommendations of fire scientists on the Monument Science Advisory Committee, that fire risk reduction is not about logging large trees," stated Craig Thomas, Director of the Sierra Nevada Forest Protection Campaign.

tricky · 03-22-05, 04:54 PM

xian, you were looking for something the other day to show that bush doesnt give a fuck about the environment....

HarleyDelight · 03-22-05, 04:56 PM

Xiannaix, wasnt u who said this:
are you prepared to stop all of that in the name of saving 2000 acres that less than 1% of 1% of Americans will ever see?

bahahahahhaha there u go stupid. I mean its not like anyone will ever see Sequoia

..hahah have u ever been there? hmm prob not, well I go there about 2 times a year, and this is utter fucking BS...

Hubb · 03-22-05, 05:15 PM

i dont agree with this proposal...we have plenty of natural resources without fucking up this are....its too beautiful.....i just cant imagine someone thinking it is okay to log that forrest

grrrrrrr

03-22-05, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarleyDelight

Xiannaix, wasnt u who said this:
are you prepared to stop all of that in the name of saving 2000 acres that less than 1% of 1% of Americans will ever see?

bahahahahhaha there u go stupid. I mean its not like anyone will ever see Sequoia

..hahah have u ever been there? hmm prob not, well I go there about 2 times a year, and this is utter fucking BS...

You really need to learn to restrain your comments to the issues at hand...

tricky - I guess I was reerring to pollution controls eg - not cutting trees

however, I'd agree with you here. I don't see how our economy is sufficiently at risk for failing to cut these trees... to say nothing of the fact that I tend to believe that cutting a tree needlessly is a sin. What is to be gained from cutting these trees? There must be an argument for it - what is it? (seriously asking - if its just that timber co.s want to log it - then fuck 'em)

and harley.....you fucking pinhead.... if our economy depended on cutting trees down (buring wood) - I'd advocate cutting the same percentage of this forest as I advocate developing in ANWR if doing so would singlehandedly satisfy all of our petroleum (wood burning) needs for a matter of years....

but, as our cars, etc etc ad nauseum do not run on burning trees - you've got apples and oranges you nitwit

HarleyDelight · 03-22-05, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xiannaix

You really need to learn to restrain your comments to the issues at hand...

tricky - I guess I was reerring to pollution controls eg - not cutting trees

however, I'd agree with you here. I don't see how our economy is sufficiently at risk for failing to cut these trees... to say nothing of the fact that I tend to believe that cutting a tree needlessly is a sin. What is to be gained from cutting these trees? There must be an argument for it - what is it? (seriously asking - if its just that timber co.s want to log it - then fuck 'em)

and harley.....you fucking pinhead.... if our economy depending on cutting trees down (buring wood) - I'd advocate cutting the same percentage of this forest as I advocate developing in ANWR if doing so would singlehandedly satisfy all of our petroleum needs for a matter of years....

but, as our cars, etc etc ad nauseum do not run on burning trees - you've got apples and oranges you nitwit

ok ok you truely are stupid, i'll stop trying to make you look stupid, I am starting to feel bad.

bfp · 03-22-05, 05:22 PM

Rich people love their redwood decks.

I think this is discusting. Fucking unbelievable.

Well, it's nice to know that I can still show my kids a picture of what used to be there.

IrishRaver · 03-23-05, 10:55 AM

better stop road tripping now...at this rate everything will be gone....
and harley...you REALLY need to link your sources......hint...hint...

Element4040 · 03-23-05, 11:20 AM

I disagree with you on Anwar.

However, I will agree with you on this subject as it appears. In light of that, I will be doing my research on the subject, cause like Xian said: There must be a reason for this.

The Sequia is a very sensitive subject and I'm on board with the protection of this forest.

IrishRaver · 03-23-05, 11:24 AM

the forest and anwr=the same damn thing....treasures that need to be hoarded and protected...and NEVER exploited

Element4040 · 03-23-05, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishRaver

the forest and anwr=the same damn thing....treasures that need to be hoarded and protected...and NEVER exploited

I gave my reasons for my beliefs on Anwar in another thread.

I disagree with you, blah, blah, blah.

Cutting down 200 year old trees is irreversible (sp?). Putting some oil wells in a remote part of Alaska is not destroying the Tundra. One has permanent immediate effects, the other is debateable.

IrishRaver · 03-23-05, 11:28 AM

tundras are one of the most fragile areas since the conditions for life are so bloody harsh....but yeah...move this over to anwr...and ill get back to u in 10

03-23-05, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishRaver

the forest and anwr=the same damn thing....treasures that need to be hoarded and protected...and NEVER exploited

that's an absolutist position....

they are also not eqivalent.... what percentage of the forest (which I don't advocate cutting at all) is proposed for logging? What is the benefit to our economy from the cutting? Who benefits? What percentage of our economy is depenant on the resource sought? It is not possible for the total benefits of clear cutting that whole forest to even remotely approach the economic benefit of drilling on 2000 of 19,000,000 acres. They are differnt in the total amount of area damaged as well as the total benefit from that damage.

Its not so simple as saying its bad to cut down a tree.... even if thats' true.

IrishRaver · 03-23-05, 11:38 AM

its the same as killing a person...doesnt matter if the person is 800lbs or a newborn...your still killing them...

03-23-05, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishRaver

its the same as killing a person...doesnt matter if the person is 800lbs or a newborn...your still killing them...

no.... no one is advocating killing either the forest or ANWR... both proposals wuold hurt the person though... the issue is how much and what is the benefit from causing the hurt.

03-22-05, 04:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
HarleyDelight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Loooooong Beach, Cali Posts: 718	Bush Adm plans to open giant Sequoia National Monument to Commercial logging Way to go fucknut. http://www.sierraclub.org/pressroom/...2005-01-27.asp CONSERVATION GROUPS CHALLENGE PLAN TO LOG GIANT SEQUOIA FOREST Groups Point to Neighboring National Park for Better Way to Manage National Treasure San Francisco, CA -- Conservation organizations challenged the Bush administration's decision to log Giant Sequoia National Monument in federal court earlier today. The groups also encouraged the administration and the court to look to neighboring Sequoia National Park for a better way to manage the rare forest. The Sierra Club, Sierra Nevada Forest Protection Campaign, Earth Island Institute, Tule River Conservancy, Sequoia Forest Keeper, and Center for Biological Diversity jointly filed the complaint in San Francisco Federal District Court. "These magnificent giant Sequoia forests are found nowhere else on earth," explained Bruce Hamilton, Sierra Club Conservation Director. "It makes no sense for the Bush administration to sacrifice such a spectacular national treasure. It also happens to be illegal." Giant Sequoia National Monument boasts two-thirds of all the Sequoia redwoods in the world, with most of the remainder found in the adjacent National Park. The popularity and awe-inspiring beauty of the Sequoia forest and its wildlife led President Bill Clinton permanently protect the forest as a National Monument under the Antiquities Act. Earlier, President George Bush Sr. had proclaimed the Sequoia groves off limits to commercial logging. Earlier this month, the Bush administration officially reversed those policies by finalizing plans to allow what amounts to commercial logging in the Monument, including the prized Giant Sequoia groves. The administration's plan would allow 7.5 million board feet of timber to be removed annually from the Monument, enough to fill 1,500 logging trucks each year. This policy would include logging of healthy trees of any species as big as 30 inches in diameter or more. Trees that size can be as much as 200 years old. "This plan opens up huge areas to logging and specifically targets trees big enough to sell, undermining the whole purpose of the Monument. The Bush administration is shirking its responsibility to current and future generations to take care of this ancient and treasured forest," added Carla Cloer, representing the Tule River Conservancy. As a model for better management, the Sierra Club and others are asking the Bush administration to look to nearby Sequoia National Park, where innovative conservation and fire prevention strategies have reinvigorated the Sequoia groves and made nearby communities safer. "In stark contrast to the very successful management techniques used for decades by the National Park Service in the Sequoia National Park," reads the complaint, "[the Bush administration] approved a Giant Sequoia National Monument Management Plan... that would permit extensive logging and cause the degradation of old forest habitat and irreparable harm to the Monument’s wildlife, directly conflicting with the purposes of the Sequoia Monument." "The plan proposed by the Forest Service reverts back to an outdated strategy that ignores the clear recommendations of fire scientists on the Monument Science Advisory Committee, that fire risk reduction is not about logging large trees," stated Craig Thomas, Director of the Sierra Nevada Forest Protection Campaign. Last edited by HarleyDelight; 03-23-05 at 01:28 PM.

03-22-05, 04:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
HarleyDelight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Loooooong Beach, Cali Posts: 718	Xiannaix, wasnt u who said this: are you prepared to stop all of that in the name of saving 2000 acres that less than 1% of 1% of Americans will ever see? bahahahahhaha there u go stupid. I mean its not like anyone will ever see Sequoia ..hahah have u ever been there? hmm prob not, well I go there about 2 times a year, and this is utter fucking BS... Last edited by HarleyDelight; 03-22-05 at 05:03 PM.

03-23-05, 11:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
Element4040 Slackotron Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lazerz! Posts: 2,464	I disagree with you on Anwar. However, I will agree with you on this subject as it appears. In light of that, I will be doing my research on the subject, cause like Xian said: There must be a reason for this. The Sequia is a very sensitive subject and I'm on board with the protection of this forest. __________________ A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals. Why don't you go get some people skills, cock lover? - Ber

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03-22-05, 05:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
bfp Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: McKidney Posts: 4,278	Rich people love their redwood decks. I think this is discusting. Fucking unbelievable. Well, it's nice to know that I can still show my kids a picture of what used to be there.