ATTN BFP

[tricky]

http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/foru...84&postcount=3

i must have a response to this.

[bfp]

are u fucking kidding me? do you not read the news or polls

Politicians act when their offices are flooded with phone calls. J Bush, Martinez, both of their offices were flooded, and they acted. This stuff happens.

dont try to weasel your way out of this or change the subject. Americans DID NOT want this political intervention

We all know how polls can be faulty. For example, the ABCNews poll asked if the 'brain dead' woman should be allowed to die, when in reality, she is minimally responsive as she knows when her parents and nurses are around. They make it sound as if she's on a respirator. Polls are lame. I can load the question differently and get a different response. Another example "Do you think it was fair for congressional politicians to step into a case(when it's constitutionally feasible), where Terri Schiavo was misrepresented in a case that has her life on the line?".

[tricky]

the poll did not ask if she could die, the poll asked if congressional intervention was appropriate

since you didn't read the first time around, here ya go

In a poll by ABC News last week, 70 percent of respondents said congressional legislation moving the dispute to federal court was "inappropriate," while just 27 percent found the federal intervention "appropriate."

[bfp]

Originally Posted by tricky

the poll did not ask if she could die, the poll asked if congressional intervention was appropriate

No shit. That was an example in how you 'load the poll'.

[tricky]

how is that loaded? it's a simple question. the other question was:

Sixty-three percent of those surveyed in the ABC poll said they support the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube.

[bfp]

Originally Posted by tricky

http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/foru...84&postcount=3

i must have a response to this.

Here's an example:

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[tricky]

she can't live with out the tube...so how is it not life support?

[bfp]

Originally Posted by tricky

she can't live with out the tube...so how is it not life support?

Can you live without food?

[tricky]

i eat my own food. THAT is the difference. i dont have something hooked up to me pumping it in


15 years on the feeding tube..if that wasnt artificially keeping her alive....

[tricky]

"The National Conservative Weekly"

i'm gonna get some news reports from the onion for you

[bfp]

Originally Posted by tricky

i eat my own food. THAT is the difference. i dont have something hooked up to me pumping it in

Did you read the article? Did you?

She explains in clear form how the poll was loaded and misleading.

Life support = respirator or ventilator.

[bfp]

Originally Posted by tricky

"The National Conservative Weekly"

i'm gonna get some news reports from the onion for you

So, anything from a conservative is invalid?

[bfp]

As you may know, a woman in Florida named Terri Schiavo suffered brain damage and has been on life support for 15 years. Doctors say she has no consciousness and her condition is irreversible. Her parents and her husband disagree on whether or not she should be kept on life support. In cases like this who do you think should have final say, (the parents) or (the spouse)?"

A follow-up question asked:

"If you were in this condition, would you want to be kept alive, or not?"

The problem is that, contrary to what ABC News told those polled, Terri Schiavo is not on "life support" and has never been on "life support." The loaded phrase evokes images of a comatose patient being artificially sustained by myriad machines and pumps and wires. Terri was on a feeding tube. A feeding tube is not a ventilator. Terri can breathe just fine on her own.

And as many of her medical caretakers and parents have argued, if given proper rehabilitation, Terri could learn to chew and swallow on her own as well. She is disabled, not dead.

But ABC News did not see fit to inform either the poll takers or its viewers of the truth. Instead, it misled them -- and the result was a poll response that produced -- voila! -- "broad public disapproval" for any government intervention to spare Terri from slowly starving to death. Blogger Ed Morrissey of Captain's Quarters noted: "Either ABC is completely incompetent in conducting research, or they have attempted to fool their viewers and readership with false polling that essentially lies about the case in question. Since when does ABC conduct push polling for euthanasia?"

Imagine how the poll results might have turned out if ABC News had made clear to participants that Terri is not terminally ill. Not in excruciating pain. Capable of saying "Mommy" and "Help me." And of "getting the feeling she's falling" or getting "excited," in her husband's own testimony, when her head is not held properly.

[tricky]

Originally Posted by bfp

Did you read the article? Did you?

She explains in clear form how the poll was loaded and misleading.

Life support = respirator or ventilator.

This is an opinion piece, not a news articile.
The questions your author thinks the poll should be asking are blatantly loaded and unsubstantiated.

So does mainstream america not know she is on a feeding tube? Every report i have read clearly says that.

Here is an article from JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Assoication) which clearly places feeding tubes in the same life support category as mechanical ventilators.

[bfp]

Originally Posted by tricky

This is an opinion piece, not a news articile.
The questions your author thinks the poll should be asking are blatantly loaded and unsubstantiated.

Again, tricky, she gives an example of a loaded question in order to acheive a certain result.

So does mainstream america not know she is on a feeding tube? Every report i have read clearly says that.

Of course. But you resorted to polling, in which I told you that the questions that you decided to use as cannon fodder are a complete wash, and are designed to mislead you.

Here is an article from JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Assoication) which clearly places feeding tubes in the same life support category as mechanical ventilators.

I'm sure some doctors do think that, but the poll question leads you to believe that she's terminally ill, and is in a coma of some sort. She is not terminally ill, and she's minutely aware of what's going on around her. The poll question doesn't get into detail and gives you the impression that she's not there at all.