Vincente Fox needs a spin doctor, STAT!

[Funkenstein]

Looks like GWB is not the only person with misspeak syndrome:

CNN NEWS
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/14/fox.jackson/index.html

Speaking in Spanish, he said, "There is no doubt that Mexicans, filled with dignity, willingness and ability to work, are doing jobs that not even blacks want to do there in the United States."

Even if it hints partially at the truth, it still is a hell of a statement to make (given the context).

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I dont see how it matters, its not like there is a big black voting populace in Mexico that he has to worry about. If I was in his position I would say it a few more times jsut to ruffle the featers of the uptight americans.

[octaviaN]

Replace "blacks" with the word "Americans" and you have a true statement.

[Funkenstein]

Originally Posted by uselesknowledge

I dont see how it matters, its not like there is a big black voting populace in Mexico that he has to worry about. If I was in his position I would say it a few more times jsut to ruffle the featers of the uptight americans.

While there may not be a large black populace to deal with there, we all know all too well how the radar picks up key statements like that.

Ho wells. GWB posse unite.

[ChunkyAcidReflux]

Originally Posted by rufuspfunk

While there may not be a large black populace to deal with there, we all know all too well how the radar picks up key statements like that.

Ho wells. GWB posse unite.

I dont see how him being on the radar does anything more than putting his face in the papers a little more. I dont think that he upset more than a very small fraction of his voter base and if anything improved his national support by giving his people a good chuckle.

You know what pisses me off about this comment made by Mexican President Vicente Fox as well as the foreign relations secretary that defended him?
The bottom line is that he is defending people from his country crossing our borders illegally. The fact that these guys even think for a minute that we, as American citizens, actually want illegal immigrants to come here and do a bunch of botched jobs that will be in need of major repair in just a few years (if not sooner), when there are plenty of legal citizens, born here or not, who can and will do those jobs - be they black people, white people, Mexicans, whatever. But legal. Meaning they went through the proper channels to get here and become citizens, if they weren't already citizens to begin with. I have no respect for anyone from Mexico who sneaks across the border, defying the laws of our land, and then applies for federal aid programs such as medicaid and food stamps in order to survive. We citizens pay taxes to fund those programs! It makes me so mad, I feel my heart beating faster as I'm typing this. Especially when I read an ignorant, completely untrue comment like this from Senor Fox. He has no right to single out blacks just because so many of them have made a great name for themselves, formed fraternities and become successful and powerful businessmen and women, or trained extensively and become great athletes or artists. I hope our government does build a wall to keep illegal immigrants out.
P.S. I am partially of hispanic blood. But my ancestors were American citizens. They became legal first, then moved to America. My grandfather even fought in WWII. So there.

[ChunkyAcidReflux]

Originally Posted by Luxe

You know what pisses me off about this comment made by Mexican President Vicente Fox as well as the foreign relations secretary that defended him?
The bottom line is that he is defending people from his country crossing our borders illegally. He is appealling all U.S. efforts that encourage him to cooperate with us so that we can keep the border safe from terrorists.
But, concerning his people, the fact that these guys even think for a minute that we, as American citizens, actually want illegal immigrants to come here and do a bunch of botched jobs that will be in need of major repair in just a few years (if not sooner), when there are plenty of legal citizens, born here or not, who can and will do those jobs - be they black people, white people, Mexicans, whatever. But legal. Meaning they went through the proper channels to get here and become citizens, if they weren't already citizens to begin with. I have no respect for anyone from Mexico who sneaks across the border, defying the laws of our land, and then applies for federal aid programs such as medicaid and food stamps in order to survive. We citizens pay taxes to fund those programs! It makes me so mad, I feel my heart beating faster as I'm typing this. Especially when I read an ignorant, completely untrue comment like this from Senor Fox. He has no right to single out blacks just because so many of them have made a great name for themselves, formed fraternities and become successful and powerful businessmen and women, or trained extensively and become great athletes or artists. I hope our government does build a wall to keep illegal immigrants out.

He is apealing to his voter base, not Americas. His voter base is overwhelmingly in support of crossing the American border for better work and it would be political suicide to turn his back on that. He is playing politics and assuring that he will remain in office. He doesnt ahve a problem with illegals, we do...its not his problem and I dont see why he should give a shit about it. If I was the president of mexico I would run busses to the border and assist mexicans with crossing the border, it lowers his unemployment rate as well as bring cash flow into his country. Why should he give a shit about American problems when he has his own fucked up country to take care of.

Originally Posted by uselesknowledge

He is apealing to his voter base, not Americas. His voter base is overwhelmingly in support of crossing the American border for better work and it would be political suicide to turn his back on that. He is playing politics and assuring that he will remain in office. He doesnt ahve a problem with illegals, we do...its not his problem and I dont see why he should give a shit about it. If I was the president of mexico I would run busses to the border and assist mexicans with crossing the border, it lowers his unemployment rate as well as bring cash flow into his country. Why should he give a shit about American problems when he has his own fucked up country to take care of.

Because he needs to address his country's needs and provide jobs for them in his own land. That would not only boost his country's economy but ensure Mexican citizens votes. I cannot believe the mentality of him and his people. Just keep crossing the border and dumping his impoverished people on Americans, when he could be improving economics for them in his own country? I'm not buying your argument.

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Originally Posted by Luxe

Because he needs to address his country's needs and provide jobs for them there. That would boost his country's economy and ensure Mexican citizens votes. I cannot believe the mentality of him and his people. Just keep crossing the border and dumping his impoverished people on Americans, when he could be improving economics there? I'm not buying your argument.

my argument, is simple. When his unemployed poor people cross the border, they not only lower his unemployment rate and remove additional drain from their social system they also send money home to their families further helping his country. While this is not a long term or an ideal solution for all of their problems, it is still a win win solution for Mexico. Again, why should he give a shit about it? Im not saying its right, correct, or the way it should be...but it is reality. He isnt up for election in America and being hated by white color yuppies here will do nothing but make him look better in the eyes of his own population.

Originally Posted by uselesknowledge

my argument, is simple. When his unemployed poor people cross the border, they not only lower his unemployment rate and remove additional drain from their social system they also send money home to their families further helping his country. While this is not a long term or an ideal solution for all of their problems, it is still a win win solution for Mexico. Again, why should he give a shit about it? Im not saying its right, correct, or the way it should be...but it is reality. He isnt up for election in America and being hated by white color yuppies here will do nothing but make him look better in the eyes of his own population.

true......what's more..... apparently we have an unofficial policy of accepting illegals (refusing to enforce strictly) because it is a form of proping up the Mexican government. The argumwent goes that by allowing ourselves to be abused as a pressure valve we help prevent a pressure cooker on our border from eruptnig in revolution....see Central America in the 80s,..... not sure if this is true or not but the argument sounded good

Originally Posted by uselesknowledge

my argument, is simple. When his unemployed poor people cross the border, they not only lower his unemployment rate and remove additional drain from their social system they also send money home to their families further helping his country. While this is not a long term or an ideal solution for all of their problems, it is still a win win solution for Mexico. Again, why should he give a shit about it? Im not saying its right, correct, or the way it should be...but it is reality. He isnt up for election in America and being hated by white color yuppies here will do nothing but make him look better in the eyes of his own population.

Well, I could just cry. I know you're both right in a sense, but it is nevertheless completely wrong. One of the major things it does is keep the Mexican population down because their thought processes develop more and more ignorantly based on his example. It teaches them to cut corners. It's nothing but a vicious cycle of dishonesty and shortcuts. His refusal to help out his own people with legitimate, valid, home-based job is affecting our security in more than ways than one.

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Originally Posted by Luxe

Well, I could just cry. I know you're both right in a sense, but it is nevertheless completely wrong. One of the major things it does is keep the Mexican population down because their thought processes develop more and more ignorantly based on his example. It teaches them to cut corners. It's nothing but a vicious cycle of dishonesty and shortcuts. His refusal to help out his own people with legitimate, valid, home-based job is affecting our security in more than ways than one.

this is true, but I expect no more action out of him addressing his domestic issues than we can expect out of our own government fixing ours.

[octaviaN]

Originally Posted by Luxe

It teaches them to cut corners. It's nothing but a vicious cycle of dishonesty and shortcuts. His refusal to help out his own people with legitimate, valid, home-based job is affecting our security in more than ways than one.

Couldn't this also be applied to corporate America? I mean, they ARE doing all of the hiring, whether it be illegals here or shipping jobs overseas.

Wait, what am I thinking?

White is right! Theres no way they could do anything wrong!

Originally Posted by octaviaN

Couldn't this also be applied to corporate America? I mean, they ARE doing all of the hiring, whether it be illegals here or shipping jobs overseas.

Wait, what am I thinking?

White is right! Theres no way they could do anything wrong!

Sweetheart, I can assure you that its not "corporate" america hiring illegal immigrants. Try contractors that don't want to pay payroll taxes instead.

[ChunkyAcidReflux]

Originally Posted by Luxe

Sweetheart, I can assure you that its not "corporate" america hiring illegal immigrants. Try contractors that don't want to pay payroll taxes instead.

The 20/20 report on it last week showed many of the largest corperations in America hiring them, Tyson foods, wal-mart, Ford, GM, etc....