US Prison Ships?

[johnny861]

US suspected of keeping secret prisoners on warships: UN officia

The UN has learned of "very, very serious" allegations that the United States is secretly detaining terrorism suspects in various locations around the world, notably aboard prison ships, the UN's special rapporteur on terrorism said.

While the accusations were rumours, rapporteur Manfred Nowak said the situation was sufficiently serious to merit an official inquiry.

"There are very, very serious accusations that the United States is maintaining secret camps, notably on ships," the Austrian UN official told AFP, adding that the vessels were believed to be in the Indian Ocean region.

"They are only rumours, but they appear sufficiently well-based to merit an official inquiry," he added.

Last Thursday Nowak and three other UN human rights experts said they were opening an inquiry into the US detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where Washington has been holding more than 500 people without trial, and into other such locations.

The United States has neither refused nor granted requests by Nowak's group to visit Guantanamo.

"We have accepted, upon the request of the State Department and Pentagon, to limit our investigation for now to Guantanamo, but even in accepting this we have not had a positive response" to the request for a visit, Nowak said.

He said that if the "investigation into Guantanamo leads us to other things, we will follow them. We will bring up all these matters to the US government and expect Washington to say officially where these camps are."

The use of prison ships would allow investigators to interrogate people secretly and in international waters out of the reach of US law, British security expert Francis Tusa said.

"This opens the door to very tough interrogations on key prisoners before it even has been revealed that they have been captured," said Tusa, an editor for the British magazine Jane's Intelligence Review.

Nowak said the prison ships would not be "floating Guantanamos" since "they are much smaller, holding less than a dozen detainees."

Tusa said the Americans may also be using their island base of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean as a site for prisoners.

Some 520 people suspected of terrorism are currently being held without trial at Guantanamo and others are in camps the United States has refused to acknowledge, the human rights organization Amnesty International has said.

The United States has said that prisoners considered foreign combattants in its "war on terrorism" are not covered by the Geneva Conventions.

[PETA]

US suspected of keeping secret prisoners on warships: UN officia

The UN has learned of "very, very serious" allegations that the United States is secretly detaining terrorism suspects in various locations around the world, notably aboard prison ships, the UN's special rapporteur on terrorism said.

While the accusations were rumours, rapporteur Manfred Nowak said the situation was sufficiently serious to merit an official inquiry.

"There are very, very serious accusations that the United States is maintaining secret camps, notably on ships," the Austrian UN official told AFP, adding that the vessels were believed to be in the Indian Ocean region.

"They are only rumours, but they appear sufficiently well-based to merit an official inquiry," he added...........

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I want an official inquiry into UFOs, Elvis sightings, Bigfoot and El Dorado.... they're only rumors but they're very veryu serious - sufficiently so to warrant official inquiry.....

[johnny861]

hence the question mark in my thread title US Prison Ships?

[Adam D]

Considering the gravity of such rumors, I think the administration ought to confirm or deny the validity of them.

I don't think that's asking too much.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Adam D

Considering the gravity of such rumors, I think the administration ought to confirm or deny the validity of them.

I don't think that's asking too much.

I accuse the DNC ofi mprisoning Natalee Holloway as a breeder of babies for Satanic sacrifice... I mean its only a rumor.... but the gravity is sufficient that it warrants an official response from the DNC.

[Adam D]

Originally Posted by xian

I accuse the DNC ofi mprisoning Natalee Holloway as a breeder of babies for Satanic sacrifice... I mean its only a rumor.... but the gravity is sufficient that it warrants an official response from the DNC.

The article suggested that they were "well-based" and there is some evidence to suggest it may be true. I doubt you can evidence any warrant for your claim.

Originally Posted by xian

I accuse the DNC ofi mprisoning Natalee Holloway as a breeder of babies for Satanic sacrifice... I mean its only a rumor.... but the gravity is sufficient that it warrants an official response from the DNC.

LOL

way to respond irrationally

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Adam D

The article suggested that they were "well-based" and there is some evidence to suggest it may be true. I doubt you can evidence any warrant for your claim.

I have none - what evidenvce did they present? None. Only allegations basde admittedly on nothing more than rumor.


here's the sentence you got that language from

Originally Posted by article

"They are only rumours, but they appear sufficiently well-based to merit an official inquiry," he added.

there was no evidence presented - only the appearance of being sufficiently well-based....


and on a related note a recent congressional tour of Guatanamo came back and reported that nothing that they saw looked like the reports of abuse that they heard... the reports were, of course, not widely publicized because lack of scandal sells no nes papers - http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8357196/

[PETA]

Originally Posted by stargazer

LOL

way to respond irrationally

my allegation is based on as much fact as the allegation in the article - clearly mine is absurd - the point SG is to compare closely the allegation I made and the evicdence presented to the allegations mde in the article with reference to the evidencde offered there.... the same amount.

did you really expect them to lay out all the evidence in the article? what i got from the article was that there was some evidence but that they didn't want to disclose it at that time because it wasn't confirmed yet... and that they thought there was a good chance that either more evidence would be found or that the evidence they were already presented with could be confirmed

unlike your suggestion which is absurd and no reasonable person would conclude that it was true...

[PETA]

Originally Posted by stargazer

did you really expect them to lay out all the evidence in the article?

I expect that if such an allegation is made that SOME evidence be presented. And none was. The allegations have as much merit as my absurd allegation. If the article publisher is waitnig to get evidence to confirm - then wait until the evidence is confirmed - otherwise the article is based on nothing and as I said, lacks all merit and credibility.

maybe they have the evidence but didn't want to share it yet

your allegation has no merit because you have no evidence and you never will because you're just being an argumentative goofball

[PETA]

Originally Posted by stargazer

maybe they have the evidence but didn't want to share it yet

Then it is an irresponsible publication and it is subject to my criticism that the article presents no evidence for its claim and even admits that it's charge is based on no more than rumor

Originally Posted by stargazer

your allegation has no merit because you have no evidence and you never will because you're just being an argumentative goofball

I'm drawing comparison between one absurd unfounded allegatiopn and another - I'm illustrating that point with an absurd example in order to draw attention - to hyperbolize - the absurdity of the first SG... its a literary and rhetorical convention....

don't you ever get tired of arguing stupid points? or sticking up for idiots like Bush?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by stargazer

don't you ever get tired of arguing stupid points? or sticking up for idiots like Bush?

yup - yawn