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bushsucks · 08-19-05, 12:31 PM

Police shooting - the discrepancies

Leaked documents from the independent investigation into the shooting of a man whom police mistook for one of the London Tube bombers, suggest key differences between the original police and witness version of events and subsequent reports.

The documents reportedly form part of the probe by the Independent Police Complaints Commission, which is refusing to comment while its inquiry continues.

Here is a comparison of the details made public in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, on 22 July, at Stockwell Tube station in south London, with those that have emerged from the leaked documents.

Mr Menezes' final journey

IDENTIFICATION

Initial account
Sir Ian Blair said on the day of the shooting that it had been "directly linked to the ongoing and expanding anti-terrorist operation".

The man was under observation because he emerged from a block of flats in Scotia Road, Tulse Hill, where police believed a man connected with the four attempted bombings on the London Tube and bus network on 21 July was staying.

They followed him during his bus journey to Stockwell Tube station, where a Scotland Yard spokesman said his "clothing and behaviour" added to their suspicions.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifLeaked evidence
Police staking out the flats, where Mr Menezes lived, decided he matched the description of one of the suspects they were seeking, according to the documents.

One officer reportedly said he "checked the photographs" and "thought it would be worth someone else having a look". However, he was unable to video the man for subsequent confirmation because he was "relieving" himself at the time. By the time Mr Menezes reached Stockwell station, armed police received "positive identification" that the man they were following was one of the suspects.

CLOTHING

Initial account
One eyewitness, Mark Whitby, said Mr Menezes was wearing a thick padded jacket, despite the warm weather, which could have been used to conceal something underneath.

Another witness said he had a black baseball cap and blue fleece. Scotland Yard had said on the day that his clothing had added to suspicions but had not elaborated further.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifLeaked evidence
Some of the leaked documents and accompanying CCTV footage suggest Mr Menezes was wearing a blue denim jacket. This is also referred to by a member of the police surveillance team who observed him on board a Tube train.

PURSUIT

Initial account
Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said after the shooting: "As I understand the situation the man was challenged and refused to obey police instructions."

One eyewitness said at the time that Mr Menezes had vaulted over the ticket barriers just inside the entrance to Stockwell station as he was being pursued.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifLeaked evidence
CCTV footage is said to show the man walking at normal pace into the station, picking up a copy of a free newspaper and apparently passing through the barriers before descending the escalator to the platform and running to a train. He boarded a Tube train, paused, looking left and right, and sat in a seat facing the platform. The eyewitness has subsequently told a newspaper that the man he saw vaulting the barrier must have been a police officer.

Trey Brister · 08-19-05, 12:33 PM

Wow, I didn't know turnstile hopping e.g. riding without paying, is a capital crime.

bfp · 08-19-05, 12:38 PM

I've been hearing that two plain clothed undercover cops followed him onto the subway after he used his ticket to get on board. They then approached him, and shot him in the head over 5 times. He didn't jump a turnstile. He didn't have a thick jacket on. It was denim. He didn't resist arrest. He was murdered.

Something is wrong when the cops lie regarding every event that took place that day.

Trey Brister · 08-19-05, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bfp

I've been hearing that two plain clothed undercover cops followed him onto the subway after he used his ticket to get on board. They then approached him, and shot him in the head over 5 times. He didn't jump a turnstile. He didn't have a thick jacket on. It was denim. He didn't resist arrest. He was murdered.

Something is wrong when the cops lie regarding every event that took place that day.

Damn that's fucked up.

bushsucks · 08-19-05, 12:42 PM

no, no guys the cops are part of the government, that makes them right.

it was for our own protection that this man had to die, man cant you guys understand that our leaders only want to cuddle and protect the faceless masses.

that's what the top 10% of the world want, to help protect the other 90% of the world.

thats what they live for.

08-19-05, 12:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
bushsucks Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 495	no one wants to touch this or what? Police shooting - the discrepancies Leaked documents from the independent investigation into the shooting of a man whom police mistook for one of the London Tube bombers, suggest key differences between the original police and witness version of events and subsequent reports. The documents reportedly form part of the probe by the Independent Police Complaints Commission, which is refusing to comment while its inquiry continues. Here is a comparison of the details made public in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, on 22 July, at Stockwell Tube station in south London, with those that have emerged from the leaked documents. Mr Menezes' final journey IDENTIFICATION Initial account Sir Ian Blair said on the day of the shooting that it had been "directly linked to the ongoing and expanding anti-terrorist operation". The man was under observation because he emerged from a block of flats in Scotia Road, Tulse Hill, where police believed a man connected with the four attempted bombings on the London Tube and bus network on 21 July was staying. They followed him during his bus journey to Stockwell Tube station, where a Scotland Yard spokesman said his "clothing and behaviour" added to their suspicions. http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifLeaked evidence Police staking out the flats, where Mr Menezes lived, decided he matched the description of one of the suspects they were seeking, according to the documents. One officer reportedly said he "checked the photographs" and "thought it would be worth someone else having a look". However, he was unable to video the man for subsequent confirmation because he was "relieving" himself at the time. By the time Mr Menezes reached Stockwell station, armed police received "positive identification" that the man they were following was one of the suspects. CLOTHING Initial account One eyewitness, Mark Whitby, said Mr Menezes was wearing a thick padded jacket, despite the warm weather, which could have been used to conceal something underneath. Another witness said he had a black baseball cap and blue fleece. Scotland Yard had said on the day that his clothing had added to suspicions but had not elaborated further. http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifLeaked evidence Some of the leaked documents and accompanying CCTV footage suggest Mr Menezes was wearing a blue denim jacket. This is also referred to by a member of the police surveillance team who observed him on board a Tube train. PURSUIT Initial account Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said after the shooting: "As I understand the situation the man was challenged and refused to obey police instructions." One eyewitness said at the time that Mr Menezes had vaulted over the ticket barriers just inside the entrance to Stockwell station as he was being pursued. http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifLeaked evidence CCTV footage is said to show the man walking at normal pace into the station, picking up a copy of a free newspaper and apparently passing through the barriers before descending the escalator to the platform and running to a train. He boarded a Tube train, paused, looking left and right, and sat in a seat facing the platform. The eyewitness has subsequently told a newspaper that the man he saw vaulting the barrier must have been a police officer.

08-19-05, 12:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
Trey Brister Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mansfield / S. Arlington Area Posts: 535	Wow, I didn't know turnstile hopping e.g. riding without paying, is a capital crime. __________________ Warm Regards, Trey Brister Nature abhors a vacuum and religion is a powerful civilizing and socializing force. It is not perfect, but at least it does not deny human nature. Most leftest ideology is based upon the idea that evil is the result of social conditions/injustice, and simple misunderstandings. Man's nature is seen as both inherently good and infinitely malleable. It is believed that man can be made into something better through education and other social endeavors. The truth is that human nature is not inherently good and neither is terribly changable. Any system that denies the truth about human nature will be the victim of it. Communism is only one of the more horrific examples of this fundamental truth. I understand why you're a socialist. You want to make the world a better place. What you need to understand is that not everyone can be helped and those who can are best served by providing them with the opportunity to help themselves.

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08-19-05, 12:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
bfp Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: McKidney Posts: 4,278	I've been hearing that two plain clothed undercover cops followed him onto the subway after he used his ticket to get on board. They then approached him, and shot him in the head over 5 times. He didn't jump a turnstile. He didn't have a thick jacket on. It was denim. He didn't resist arrest. He was murdered. Something is wrong when the cops lie regarding every event that took place that day.

08-19-05, 12:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
bushsucks Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 495	no, no guys the cops are part of the government, that makes them right. it was for our own protection that this man had to die, man cant you guys understand that our leaders only want to cuddle and protect the faceless masses. that's what the top 10% of the world want, to help protect the other 90% of the world. thats what they live for.