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08-19-05, 03:32 PM
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 | Interrogation with a Terrorist http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD96305 The acts these guys commit seem unimaginable, esp in the culture in which we live. The quotes of insurgents raping and slaughtering women, doing opium and hash before detonation are striking. |
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08-19-05, 05:02 PM
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Interrogator: "Is this Jihad – raping women? Is this Jihad?" Abed: "It is because they collaborated with the Americans." Interrogator: "That's why they were raped?" Abed: "Yes." Interrogator: "A student who is simply going to her university is kidnapped, raped, and then slaughtered?! This was an American collaborator?!" Abed: "Mullah Al-Raikan would give the names to the squad commander." Interrogator: "My information says that they were kidnapped and brought to Mullah Al-Raikan's headquarters. True or false?" Abed: "He would interrogate them." Interrogator: "Were they raped after the interrogation?" Abed: "Yes. He would give them to the squad, and they would kill them. Some would rape them." Interrogator: "You bastards. This is Jihad? You call this Jihad? "
__________________ Warm Regards, Trey Brister Nature abhors a vacuum and religion is a powerful civilizing and socializing force. It is not perfect, but at least it does not deny human nature. Most leftest ideology is based upon the idea that evil is the result of social conditions/injustice, and simple misunderstandings. Man's nature is seen as both inherently good and infinitely malleable. It is believed that man can be made into something better through education and other social endeavors. The truth is that human nature is not inherently good and neither is terribly changable. Any system that denies the truth about human nature will be the victim of it. Communism is only one of the more horrific examples of this fundamental truth. I understand why you're a socialist. You want to make the world a better place. What you need to understand is that not everyone can be helped and those who can are best served by providing them with the opportunity to help themselves. |
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09-09-05, 03:19 PM
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OMG, terrorist are assholes? No way? OMG terrorist are using religion in order to justify their actions, HOLY SHIT that's never been done before.......... For all intents and purposes and with the same mentallity in mind, all priest are child molestors, all christians want the jews to die (the crusades) and anyone that does not follow our religion...
__________________ "We're so engaged in doing things to achieve purposes of outer value that we forget that the inner value, the rapture that is associated with being alive, is what it's all about." --Joseph Campbell, |
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09-09-05, 03:22 PM
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09-09-05, 03:30 PM
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The issue has been that these assholes use religion as an excuse and this in turn makes the average american think that every single muslim out there is a hardcore jihadist (sp?) waiting to topple the american pigs.
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09-09-05, 03:33 PM
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09-09-05, 04:15 PM
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Once again I am taking it to the smallest common denominator, we can justify the glee that we get from the destruction by placing "the evil terrorist mantle" to our "enemy" but ultimately killing is killing. I think however that we have removed ourselves from the original point. Yes these terrorist are evil, they justify their actions by hiding behind religeous beliefs. We have justified our trespasses by justifying our actions on our political beliefs. The local media will do a great job at demonizing these people even more and the international media will make sure that our actions, regardless of intent are demonized. Feed the blood lust on either side, demonize your enemy and it will be easier to kill them all as there will be acceptance by the masses.
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09-09-05, 04:28 PM
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Which government are you referring to? We can discuss it specifically but any communist regimes we knocked over was a great service to the world and that country specifically. Not sure I follow your last question... Quote:
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09-09-05, 04:49 PM
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Justification for our actions is a great human trait, ultimately killing is killing regardless of the issue at hand. I will agree with you though that the killing of certain individuals has led to the prosperity of certain regions, undeniably so. However my point is that killing is killing and while our justification for our killing might make more sense to our "civilized" brains, it does not deny the fact that the same reasoning is being used by these terrorist. Is it your belief that our culture has more validity and merit than middle eastern culture?  I know, I had to turn that one on you. My point is that just like they do, we will go to great lenghts to fight for what we think is right and proper. Whether is right or not has not been my focus thus far.
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09-09-05, 04:55 PM
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To make the point. Executing a mass murderer is not the same as executing Mother Theresa. Dying is dying from the POV of the dead guy to be sure... but killing differs according to the motive or basis for the killing. Man we're drifting - - my fault - - sorry Quote:
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09-09-05, 05:16 PM
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Man we sure drifted.. oh and I agree killing a mass murderer Vs Killing Mother Teresa are two completely different things morally, however my point was that it ultimately is killing any which way you justify it. I'm not saying that is wrong or right, just nailing it down to black and white and how these fuckers (terrorist) more than likely see it. They kill innocent people to get their point across regardless of who they are. As far as culture, I enjoy our culture and way of living and would not change it for the world (well besides trying to improve it)but I believe that for them, Islam gives them the guidance and peace their need in their society (not including terrorist in this one btw)
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09-09-05, 05:19 PM
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hrm not to horn in but...yes...it was quite a bit different. We weren't trying to assassinate Castro for being Cuban, or being an infidel, stepping foot on holy American ground, or not belieiving Allah is the one true God. It was because we were at war with a political idiology that threated basic freedoms and was inhierently corrupt...in fact that's the only thing that hasn't changed. | |
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Government is an aspect of culture - theirs is tyrranical. anyway - I'd disagree that they are happy as a general matter with their culture - such that it is... even if they love their religion | |||
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