LOL!!!Che Guevara's Family is Pist off...

[molecule]

at how the capitalist americans are using his name!


http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/am...eut/index.html

[Edwin Watson]

hahahaha, that is funny as hell.

[PETA]

Indeed, only Castro should be permitted to use his image deceitfully to sell

[Jay.]

Oooh.. Hahahah, this is most def ownage. Some one is going to get rich..

[J. Fees]

it is ironic. Regardless of how you feel, the guy was really looking out for the poor, weak, and downtrodden. He got in the trenches and fought for what he believed for. I really can't think of anyone since that has gone that far for poor people.

[Hey Bubu]

Saddest thing is that more than half the idiots that have something with Guevara's face on it don't even know what he stood for....

[PETA]

Originally Posted by J. Feez

it is ironic. Regardless of how you feel, the guy was really looking out for the poor, weak, and downtrodden. He got in the trenches and fought for what he believed for. I really can't think of anyone since that has gone that far for poor people.

he was a murderous thug that would have enslaved his people just like Castro has in his little eden


http://www.neoliberalismo.com/Archivo-01/real_che.htm

http://www.today.ucla.edu/1997/971010CheShow.html

http://slate.msn.com/id/2107100/

http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/che.html

champions of the down trodden usually don't kill them and herd them into forced labor camps...

Originally Posted by el che

"Hatred is an element of struggle; relentless hatred of the enemy that impels us over and beyond the natural limitations of man and transforms us into effective, violent, selective, and cold killing machines. Our soldiers must be thus; a people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy."

he's in the company of Gandhi isn't he

[molecule]

The Irony is that Donald Trumph has done more for the poor.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by molecule

The Irony is that Donald Trumph has done more for the poor.

it wouldn't do for some Che t-shirt wearing, poorly informed, idealist, career college student to ackowledge the failures (much less the horrors) of communism and its pantheon of demons and the sucesses of capitalism and capitalists...

[J. Fees]

take it how you want it, but the dude fought on the front lines in cuba, angola, and bolivia, and died fighting. I must have got bad info on the dude, I just read a huge book on him(for some reason my pops gave it to me, i didn't buy because I'm his biggest fan). I;m sure it was communist propaganda

[PETA]

Originally Posted by J. Feez

take it how you want it, but the dude fought on the front lines in cuba, angola, and bolivia, and died fighting. I must have got bad info on the dude, I just read a huge book on him(for some reason my pops gave it to me, i didn't buy because I'm his biggest fan). I;m sure it was communist propaganda

Well, if you think fighting for Castro is good then yes, of course, you'd think Che was a good guy.

But, that would require you to think what Castro has accomplished was worth fighting for. And if you do, well then, I guess you still get to consider Che a good guy.

But, for the life of me I could not understand why anyone would feel Castro has accomplished anything other than the economic, social and spiritual destruction of Cuba. So, if you're for all of that then yeah - hooray - hat's off to Che.

what book btw?

[Hey Bubu]

Originally Posted by xian

Well, if you think fighting for Castro is good then yes, of course, you'd think Che was a good guy.

But, that would require you to think what Castro has accomplished was worth fighting for. And if you do, well then, I guess you still get to consider Che a good guy.

But, for the life of me I could not understand why anyone would feel Castro has accomplished anything other than the economic, social and spiritual destruction of Cuba. So, if you're for all of that then yeah - hooray - hat's off to Che.

Well he did accomplish............um...........oh yeah placing Chavez in his pocket.

[J. Fees]

i would think that you can always come up with revisionist history about any one. NOne of the articles that Xian listed, had any sources listed along with the articles. One article went on about how Che was pro Soviet, which he was for a short period of time, but later sided more with the Chinese. Obviously, Xian, like all other conseravtives of his ilk, see any other concept of thinking or ideologies, as wrong and idiotic. All I said is that the guy went to the front lines repping his ideology, whether right or wrong, something that very few leaders do. Bush like to go to his ranch, rather that be Commander in Chief in Washington. That to me is a slap in the face of all U.S. troops, not for vacationing because we live in the 21st century with various forms of communication technology. But if we are truly in a state of war(The War on Terrorism), it seems disrespectful to me to be anywhere other than the White House, at least residing and projecting an air of unity with our troops. He only has a couple of years left, then he can chill in Crawford all he wants. The soldiers in Iraq don't get 50 day vacations, why should he?

[molecule]

Originally Posted by xian

it wouldn't do for some Che t-shirt wearing, poorly informed, idealist, career college student to ackowledge the failures (much less the horrors) of communism and its pantheon of demons and the sucesses of capitalism and capitalists...

yep, I have befriended enough Cuban-Americans and studied under enough Cuban musicians (Los Munequitos De Matanza -THE LEGENDS!!) to hear all I need to hear about the horrors of that man, and Castro, and how much it hurts them to see little idiot americans parading around with Che's face on their shirt. My freinds from the group Los Munequitos De Matanza still live under Castros control, are only allowed to visit the US for breif tours, are closely monitored by Castro, and only speak their true hearts about Cuba's political nightmares when they are here in the US, and feel very comfortable. The lack of freedom and the fear in which they live in is sobering, yet because of their musical importance, they are the lucky Cubans, and are allowed some US visits. They want to claim political assylum, but fear of rejection due to recent crackdowns, prevents them. Returning to Cuba after an assylum attempt would mean ultimate punishment.

The horrific effects Castro's Cuba has had on MUSIC alone should be enough to enrage Americas youth, or atleast DDMers. uh, anyone seen Buena Vista Social Club? yea, Cuban musicians robbed of their souls thanks to communism. Don't get me started

[PETA]

Originally Posted by J. Feez

i would think that you can always come up with revisionist history about any one. NOne of the articles that Xian listed, had any sources listed along with the articles. One article went on about how Che was pro Soviet, which he was for a short period of time, but later sided more with the Chinese. Obviously, Xian, like all other conseravtives of his ilk, see any other concept of thinking or ideologies, as wrong and idiotic. All I said is that the guy went to the front lines repping his ideology, whether right or wrong, something that very few leaders do. Bush like to go to his ranch, rather that be Commander in Chief in Washington. That to me is a slap in the face of all U.S. troops, not for vacationing because we live in the 21st century with various forms of communication technology. But if we are truly in a state of war(The War on Terrorism), it seems disrespectful to me to be anywhere other than the White House, at least residing and projecting an air of unity with our troops. He only has a couple of years left, then he can chill in Crawford all he wants. The soldiers in Iraq don't get 50 day vacations, why should he?

Let's keep this discussion on point. You made a note lionizing Che and I made several attacking him as an evil murderous thug. I posted info explaining why. Lets keep the discussion on Che shall we?

Che did move more Sino - which alienated him from Castro - sure.

So, what was the book title and author.

What were the accomplishments of Che and Fidel such that they were worth the fighting?

And, the competing ideology of communism was worth fighting against. I gather you disagree - please give examlpes of how a communist regime made the state of its infestation better for the affliction?