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kit'n · 08-31-05, 10:30 PM

so, im reading an article on No Child Left Behind Act. apparently tutoring is not allowed?!!??!! WTF?

Chicago to get relaxed tutoring rule -- and others will be watching

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Education Department plans to allow Chicago Public Schools to provide tutoring to struggling students even though the district itself has not met academic standards -- a waiver of federal rules that could have national implications, officials said Tuesday.

Education Secretary Margaret Spellings will announce the change Thursday in Chicago, two officials familiar with the policy told The Associated Press.

It marks the second time in a week she has shown flexibility in how she enforces President Bush's No Child Left Behind law.

In the other case, four Virginia school districts have been allowed to offer tutoring before they are required to offer transfers to students in struggling schools, the first time the department has allowed that sequence to be reversed.

The Education Department said Spellings would make an announcement Thursday on No Child Left Behind, but spokeswoman Susan Aspey declined to discuss it.

Depending upon how Spellings defines these pilot projects, other school districts may get the chance to apply for the same flexibility -- or they may have to wait and see.

For months, state education officials have been looking for signs on how Spellings would deliver on her promise to be more reasonable in enforcing the law if states show rising achievement.

In her case-by-case approach launched as the school year starts, Chicago is next up.

Under federal rules, school districts that fail to show enough yearly progress in reading and math for two straight years cannot provide tutoring. That restriction is designed to protect poor students from having to rely on the same schools that may not be serving them well when tapping into the law's promise of free tutoring.

But urban districts such as Chicago say the rule is unfair because their test scores in two subjects may have little to do with their ability to provide extra help. What's more, the large districts argue, the rule could keep children from getting help if other tutors aren't available.

Spellings plans to allow Chicago to be an approved provider of tutoring even though it has not made adequate yearly progress for two straight years, according to an official familiar with the change who requested anonymity because the policy had not been formally announced.

Chicago, one of the largest school systems in the nation, also has had one of the most expansive tutoring programs. Federal officials had previously ordered Chicago and other Illinois districts to stop providing tutoring under the law or risk losing federal money.

Michael Petrilli, a former senior aide at the Education Department who helped oversee the tutoring enforcement under Spellings, also confirmed the impending policy change. Petrilli, now vice president of the Thomas B. Fordham Foundation, an education think tank, said the Bush administration had avoided issuing waivers to the law at all costs. Not anymore.

"The secretary is showing her willingness to use waivers to provide flexibility," Petrilli said. He added: "I can't imagine that other districts would not be eligible for this. I don't think they could justify keeping it to these few places."

Beyond Thursday's announcement, Spellings plans later to announce tutoring flexibility that will focus on rural schools, said a congressional official familiar with the changes who also requested anonymity because they hadn't been announced.

Patricia Sullivan, director of the Center on Education Policy, said loosening the tutoring restriction makes sense. "It's not like there are always tons of options, in terms of tutoring providers," she said.

"If your option is no tutoring services or tutoring provided by somebody in your district who knows what you need, why shouldn't you get those services?" said Sullivan, whose think tank tracks how states comply with the No Child Left Behind law.

Sullivan, too, said what other districts will want to know is how -- and whether -- they'll be able to get the same deal. The Chicago school system is expected to have to meet conditions in exchange for its flexibility, just as the four school districts in Virginia must do.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/08....ap/index.html

what fucking brainiac came up with a No Tutoring Allowed rule?!?!?!?!?! it doesnt matter how great the teachers may or may not be - all students have different learning styles and some need more help than others on certain things.

fucking idiots run this country and its systems.

PETA · 08-31-05, 11:11 PM

A line of must be drawn somewhere to say... you're not good enough let the kid somewhere else to try to learn....sounds like the point is that when a school is failing a child it must offer the child the opportunity to go to another school?

kit'n · 09-01-05, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xian

A line of must be drawn somewhere to say... you're not good enough let the kid somewhere else to try to learn....sounds like the point is that when a school is failing a child it must offer the child the opportunity to go to another school?

i can understand a line being drawn... but to completely deprive a student from being able to seek help... wtf?!!? you can have the best teachers in the world, but without some one-on-one time, some students will still fail, or at least perform below acceptable standards.

this just completely flabbergasted me. i know they like to think everyone is exactly the same, and we are all little robots who perform on the same level, but we are not!

i dunno... its just appalling to me.

PETA · 09-01-05, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kit'n

i can understand a line being drawn... but to completely deprive a student from being able to seek help... wtf?!!? you can have the best teachers in the world, but without some one-on-one time, some students will still fail, or at least perform below acceptable standards.

this just completely flabbergasted me. i know they like to think everyone is exactly the same, and we are all little robots who perform on the same level, but we are not!

i dunno... its just appalling to me.

lol - I wasn't tellin you that "this is the way it is dammit!!"

just offering a potential interpretation - I'm really clueless as to all of this - except to say that the goal was to provide accountability

kit'n · 09-01-05, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xian

lol - I wasn't tellin you that "this is the way it is dammit!!"

just offering a potential interpretation - I'm really clueless as to all of this - except to say that the goal was to provide accountability

oh, i know. the article just irritated me. in my view, there is not one ounce of common sense in not allowing tutoring.

PETA · 09-01-05, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kit'n

in my view, there is not one ounce of common sense in not allowing tutoring.

hard to argue with that

08-31-05, 10:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
kit'n Squishy Master Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the beehive. Posts: 3,533	someone please explain this to me: so, im reading an article on No Child Left Behind Act. apparently tutoring is not allowed?!!??!! WTF? Chicago to get relaxed tutoring rule -- and others will be watching WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Education Department plans to allow Chicago Public Schools to provide tutoring to struggling students even though the district itself has not met academic standards -- a waiver of federal rules that could have national implications, officials said Tuesday. Education Secretary Margaret Spellings will announce the change Thursday in Chicago, two officials familiar with the policy told The Associated Press. It marks the second time in a week she has shown flexibility in how she enforces President Bush's No Child Left Behind law. In the other case, four Virginia school districts have been allowed to offer tutoring before they are required to offer transfers to students in struggling schools, the first time the department has allowed that sequence to be reversed. The Education Department said Spellings would make an announcement Thursday on No Child Left Behind, but spokeswoman Susan Aspey declined to discuss it. Depending upon how Spellings defines these pilot projects, other school districts may get the chance to apply for the same flexibility -- or they may have to wait and see. For months, state education officials have been looking for signs on how Spellings would deliver on her promise to be more reasonable in enforcing the law if states show rising achievement. In her case-by-case approach launched as the school year starts, Chicago is next up. Under federal rules, school districts that fail to show enough yearly progress in reading and math for two straight years cannot provide tutoring. That restriction is designed to protect poor students from having to rely on the same schools that may not be serving them well when tapping into the law's promise of free tutoring. But urban districts such as Chicago say the rule is unfair because their test scores in two subjects may have little to do with their ability to provide extra help. What's more, the large districts argue, the rule could keep children from getting help if other tutors aren't available. Spellings plans to allow Chicago to be an approved provider of tutoring even though it has not made adequate yearly progress for two straight years, according to an official familiar with the change who requested anonymity because the policy had not been formally announced. Chicago, one of the largest school systems in the nation, also has had one of the most expansive tutoring programs. Federal officials had previously ordered Chicago and other Illinois districts to stop providing tutoring under the law or risk losing federal money. Michael Petrilli, a former senior aide at the Education Department who helped oversee the tutoring enforcement under Spellings, also confirmed the impending policy change. Petrilli, now vice president of the Thomas B. Fordham Foundation, an education think tank, said the Bush administration had avoided issuing waivers to the law at all costs. Not anymore. "The secretary is showing her willingness to use waivers to provide flexibility," Petrilli said. He added: "I can't imagine that other districts would not be eligible for this. I don't think they could justify keeping it to these few places." Beyond Thursday's announcement, Spellings plans later to announce tutoring flexibility that will focus on rural schools, said a congressional official familiar with the changes who also requested anonymity because they hadn't been announced. Patricia Sullivan, director of the Center on Education Policy, said loosening the tutoring restriction makes sense. "It's not like there are always tons of options, in terms of tutoring providers," she said. "If your option is no tutoring services or tutoring provided by somebody in your district who knows what you need, why shouldn't you get those services?" said Sullivan, whose think tank tracks how states comply with the No Child Left Behind law. Sullivan, too, said what other districts will want to know is how -- and whether -- they'll be able to get the same deal. The Chicago school system is expected to have to meet conditions in exchange for its flexibility, just as the four school districts in Virginia must do. http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/08....ap/index.html what fucking brainiac came up with a No Tutoring Allowed rule?!?!?!?!?! it doesnt matter how great the teachers may or may not be - all students have different learning styles and some need more help than others on certain things. fucking idiots run this country and its systems.

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08-31-05, 11:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
PETA an apparition Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 38,627	A line of must be drawn somewhere to say... you're not good enough let the kid somewhere else to try to learn....sounds like the point is that when a school is failing a child it must offer the child the opportunity to go to another school?