THESE ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS, NOT REFUGEES

[la dj]

would have thrown my daughter in the car and drove until I didn't have gas and then walked

some or most of these people couldnt drive as they had no car. or they were incapacitated to walk out of there. for that reason, flat bed trucks should have been getting people out of there. nat'l guard backed up by us military should have mobilized to make that a reality. but that obviously didnt happen. which tells me that the govt didnt think this was going to be as bad as others expected.

the govt failed us again.



i keep going back to the following words that most people wont even recognize:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

[zerojunkie]

Originally Posted by housefish

Yes, it would be very hard w/o a doubt. But for the sake of my family, I would have gotten out some how. I would have thrown my daughter in the car and drove until I didn't have gas and then walked. You do what you have to do for survival.

No shit, if I lived in a city 10 or so feet below sea level and knew a big ass hurricane with an equally big ass storm surge was headed my way...staying is not an option. I'm amazed with how many people there are still in the city...I know special situations arise, but how many do they estimate are still there? Do you really think they all didn't have the option to leave in the week or so we knew the storm was headed their way? The government can't do everything for you. Then what really infuriates me, are the ones that ARE FUCKING SHOOTING AT THE HELP...do these fuck heads have a negative IQ or something? I hope the national guard guns their asses down like an Iraqi Insurgent...they're equally dispicable if not worse...and deserve the same treatment.

[bfp]

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

Then what really infuriates me, are the ones that ARE FUCKING SHOOTING AT THE HELP...do these fuck heads have a negative IQ or something? I hope the national guard guns their asses down like an Iraqi Insurgent...they're equally dispicable if not worse...and deserve the same treatment.

Societal decay.

There are reports that trucks are roaming the streets with armed men in the back.

Somalia, anyone?

[zerojunkie]

the govt failed us again.

No, you failed yourself by relying on the government for survival.

[housefish]

Originally Posted by la dj

some or most of these people couldnt drive as they had no car. or they were incapacitated to walk out of there. for that reason, flat bed trucks should have been getting people out of there. nat'l guard backed up by us military should have mobilized to make that a reality. but that obviously didnt happen. which tells me that the govt didnt think this was going to be as bad as others expected.

the govt failed us again.

Humm... how about some.... You have friends and family don't you? Most people know someone with a car or some kind of transpartion. I'm just saying you can't just say this is the Govt fault. Yes, blame must be put there, but people are too quick to say it's the Govt fault - poor me.

Originally Posted by la dj

i keep going back to the following words that most people wont even recognize:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

What are you suggesting?

[housefish]

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

No shit, if I lived in a city 10 or so feet below sea level and knew a big ass hurricane with an equally big ass storm surge was headed my way...staying is not an option. I'm amazed with how many people there are still in the city...I know special situations arise, but how many do they estimate are still there? Do you really think they all didn't have the option to leave in the week or so we knew the storm was headed their way? The government can't do everything for you. Then what really infuriates me, are the ones that ARE FUCKING SHOOTING AT THE HELP...do these fuck heads have a negative IQ or something? I hope the national guard guns their asses down like an Iraqi Insurgent...they're equally dispicable if not worse...and deserve the same treatment.

100%

[housefish]

Originally Posted by bfp

Societal decay.

There are reports that trucks are roaming the streets with armed men in the back.

Somalia, anyone?

If I saw that....

I truly would, pull a full metal jacket!

"GET SOME"

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by housefish

100%

I have no idea if I would have left or not. Hell, I lived in downtown Dallas for about a year and we all know how much crime there is downtown. It's hard for me to imagine what I would do in a situation other than what I'm in. I have family in FL that have been hit by many hurricans. Sometimes they leave, sometimes they don't. I'm glad I don't live in FL or in downtown Dallas.

[housefish]

Originally Posted by MicahB

I have no idea if I would have left or not. Hell, I lived in downtown Dallas for about a year and we all know how much crime there is downtown. It's hard for me to imagine what I would do in a situation other than what I'm in. I have family in FL that have been hit by many hurricans. Sometimes they leave, sometimes they don't. I'm glad I don't live in FL or in downtown Dallas.

That's why I live in Bedford.

I'll take my chances with Tornadoes...

[la dj]

What are you suggesting?

do i have to spell it out for you??? i hated bush before iraq. this "response" if you want to call it that; a day late and a dollar short, solidifies my stance on much of a twat the man is.

it's time for BS politics to end in this country.

the govt, i thought, was there to help you in times of need when you cant help yourself. it hasnt been that way for a LONG time. i must have been completely delusional.

[housefish]

Originally Posted by la dj

do i have to spell it out for you??? i hated bush before iraq. this "response" if you want to call it that; a day late and a dollar short, solidifies my stance on much of a twat the man is.

it's time for BS politics to end in this country.

the govt, i thought, was there to help you in times of need when you cant help yourself. it hasnt been that way for a LONG time. i must have been completely delusional.

I got that part.

So what - if you hate Bush. I hate to break the news, he is here for a few more years.

People are trying to help now - and people are f**king shooting at them. WTF

Please make an excuse for that.

[zerojunkie]

the govt, i thought, was there to help you in times of need when you cant help yourself. it hasnt been that way for a LONG time. i must have been completely delusional.

nanny state anyone? ok, granted, the government should do something...and more efficiently than how they're going about it now. But when you're talking about your life...sorry, but you can't trust anyone with that but yourself.

[la dj]

^^^^because they're in a desperate situation. put yourself in their shoes. it's been 4 fucking days. no water, no food. malnourishment and insanity is on onset. i'm not trying to make an excuse but communicate to you the facts. just now, the natl guard and military has rolled through with supplies, food and water for these displaced people. before that, the guard simply drove or flew by....waving.

why dont YOU make an excuse for that??!!

reports are that nat'l guard was simply driving around. drinking water, not even sweating.

walk a mile bro. i've donated clothing and food that i paid for out of a negative $200+ account.

what the fuck have YOU done?

[la dj]

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

nanny state anyone? ok, granted, the government should do something...and more efficiently than how they're going about it now. But when you're talking about your life...sorry, I don't, and frankly, you can't trust anyone with that but yourself.

some, not all, of these people couldn't leave. they had no choice. those are the people i feel sorry for. not the yahoo's that thought they could wait out a cat 5 storm. <although it did drop to cat 4>

imagine how bad it would have been had it been cat 5 when it hit NO.

[molecule]

Originally Posted by la dj

do i have to spell it out for you??? i hated bush before iraq. this "response" if you want to call it that; a day late and a dollar short, solidifies my stance on much of a twat the man is.

it's time for BS politics to end in this country.

the govt, i thought, was there to help you in times of need when you cant help yourself. it hasnt been that way for a LONG time. i must have been completely delusional.

Do you not blame the local and state of LA officials for their deplorable efforts to get the people out of the city first and then organize and get aid in to the people at the superdome?

I agree that the outcome here has been deplorable, but I dont put Bush at the top of the list of people to blame. The Mayor of NO has left his city in shambles, his constituants dieing of dehydration after they followed his instructions. The LA and NO officials should have had the national guard in before the storm to get these people out. I see the failure here as great, but there are many politicians in LA that have completely dropped the ball here, even though I know its real easy to shift all your anger over with your already acrude hatred towards Bush. I think Bush underestimated the tragedy like everyone else did, but the local officials elected by the dieing people in NO have the blood on their hands. Now they will try to shift blame onto Bush like many others, when they are the ones that failed their own people. It is very sad.