Will history treat him well?

[matt]

In light of everything that has happened on G-dubs watch, do you think that history books will treat this prez and his time in office well? i think he is a cross between a giant douche and a turd sandwich myself, but what do you think?

[Hey Bubu]

Personally, I think he'll end up somewhere in between Nixon and Clinton.

[PETA]

I think GWs policies are very risky and ambitious - they could blow up huge. However, if the goals are met I think he'll be regarded very highly.

So, yeah - give it fifty years and then I think the range is tremendous

[Hey Bubu]

Originally Posted by xian

I think GWs policies are very risky and ambitious - they could blow up huge. However, if the goals are met I think he'll be regarded very highly.

So, yeah - give it fifty years and then I think the range is tremendous

Now do you honestly think they are his policies alone, or has he been "persuaded" into putting them into practice? Meaning there are "puppeteers" in the background.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by TypeH

Now do you honestly think they are his policies alone, or has he been "persuaded" into putting them into practice? Meaning there are "puppeteers" in the background.

Do you think Presidents are these brilliant people who are experts on every conceivable topic? Of course not. They cannot be... though I still love referring to the old SNL skit ask Jimmy Carter (below)

Presidents are executives who listen to the advice of experts and choose a course of action.

This President is no different in that regard than any other.

If one dislikes his policies - and dislikes some of his policy advisors even more - its easy to resort to the puppet master theory. This is nothing new and again, this President is no different in that regard than any other.

Announcer: And now, live from the White House, "Ask President Carter".

Walter Cronkite: Good evening, and welcome to #10 of the CBS radio series "Ask President Carter", continuing an experiment in presidential communication with the American people. Mr. President, our first call this week comes Mrs. Edward Hobrath, or maybe it's Horbraithe?

Mrs. Edward Horbath (on phone): [ echoing ] That's Horbath.

Walter Cronkite: Mrs. Edward Horbath - excuse me - of Maple Trace, Kansas!

President Jimmy Carter: Hello, Mrs. Horbath.

Mrs. Edward Horbath (on phone): [ echoing ] Hello, Mr. President, how are you today?

President Jimmy Carter: Very fine. Could you turn your radio down, please?

Mrs. Edward Horbath (on phone): [ echoing ] Oh my.. yes..

Walter Cronkite: Mrs. Horbath, do you have a question for the President?

Mrs. Edward Horbath (on phone): Yes, sir. I'm an employee of the U.S. Postal Service in Kansas. Last year they installed an automated letter sorting system called the Marvex-3000, here in our branch..

President Jimmy Carter: Yes.

Mrs. Edward Horbath (on phone): ..but the system doesn't work too good. Letters keep getting clogged in the first-level sorting grid. Is there anything that can be done about this?

President Jimmy Carter: Well, Mrs. Horbath, Vice-President Mondale and I were just talking about the Morvex-3000 this morning.. uh.. I do have a suggestion - you know the caliber poised on the first grid sliding armiture?

Mrs. Edward Horbath (on phone): Yes.

President Jimmy Carter: Okay, there's a three-digit setting there, where the post and the armiture meet. Now, when the system was installed, the angle of cross-slide was put at a maximum setting of 1.. if you reset it at the three-mark like it says in the assembly instructions, I think it will solve any clogging problems in the machine.

Mrs. Edward Horbath (on phone): Oh, thanks, Mr. President! Oh, by the way, I think you're doing a great job!

Walter Cronkite: Looks like you've been doing your homework, Mr. President. I'd like to take this opportunity to say that none of these calls are screened, that the people of America are talking directly with the President. Our next call comes from a man who calls himself Dr. Midnight.

President Jimmy Carter: Hello, Dr. Midnight.

Dr. Midnight (on phone): Is Rosalyn there! I really like her!

Walter Cronkite: Alright, sir, thank you very much for calling..

Dr. Midnight (on phone): Hey, Cronkite! You stupid motherfu..

[ Carter jumps out of his chair to disconnect Dr. Midnight's call ]

Walter Cronkite: Thank you, Mr. President, ha ha! Our next call is Peter Elkin of Westbrook, Oregan, whom I am told is 17 years of age.

Peter (on phone): Hello? Hello?

President Jimmy Carter: Yes. Hello, Peter?

Peter (on phone): Is this the President?

President Jimmy Carter: Yes, it is.

Walter Cronkite: Do you have a question for the President?

Peter (on phone): Uh.. I, uh.. I took some acid.. I'm afraid to leave my apartment, and I can't wear any clothes.. and the ceiling is dripping, and uh.. I, uh..

Walter Cronkite: Well, thank you very much for calling, sir..

President Jimmy Carter: Just a minute, Walter, this guy's in trouble. I think I better try to talk him down. Peter?

Peter (on phone): Yeah..?

President Jimmy Carter: Peter, what did the acid look like?

Peter (on phone): They were these little orange pills.

President Jimmy Carter: Were they barrel shaped?

Peter (on phone): Uh.. yes.

President Jimmy Carter: Okay, right, you did some orange sunshine, Peter.

Peter (on phone): Very good of you to know that, sir.

President Jimmy Carter: How long ago did you take it, Peter?

Peter (on phone): Uh.. I don't know. I can't read my watch.

President Jimmy Carter: Alright, Peter, just listen. Everything is going to be fine. You're very high right now. You will probably be that way for about five more hours. Try taking some vitamin B complex, vitamin C complex.. if you have a beer, go ahead and drink it..

Peter (on phone): Okay..

President Jimmy Carter: Just remember you're a living organism on this planet, and you're very safe. You've just taken a heavy drug. Relax, stay inside and listen to some music, Okay? Do you have any Allman Brothers?

Peter (on phone): Yes, I do, sir. Everything is okay, huh Jimmy?

President Jimmy Carter: It sure is, Peter. You know, I'm against drug use myself, but I'm not going to lay that on you right now. Just mellow out the best you can, okay?

Peter (on phone): Okay..!

President Jimmy Carter: Okay.

Walter Cronkite: Well, thank you, Mr. President. Our time is up for this week, but let me remind you that it is now time to buy your tickets for the first annual "I Slept At The White House" lottery, on sale at federal office buildings everywhere.

President Jimmy Carter: I figure there's no harm in trying, Walt. The tickets are only a dollar, and maybe someone out there will win an all-expense paid trip to spend the night here with us in Washington. Good night!

Walter Cronkite: Good night, thank you very much.

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/76/76ocarter.phtml

[matt]

always liked that skit.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by matt

always liked that skit.

you must be old!

[matt]

if 28 is old, then i'm guilty as charged...i used to stay up late and watch reruns of old snl skits on the boob tube when i was a lad.

[Hey Bubu]

Funny skit

As for the comment, I am fully aware that the president isn't a know it all, and that he has to trust the advice of his aids; but I do sometimes wonder, when compared to other presidents, how easily swayed he might be.

[Satchel]

I'd bet my house this president knows less about the affairs he governs than any other in my lifetime.

Ato the question of the thread I feel pretty comfortable saying he will go down as a worse president than Nixon.

i agree that his policies are volatile

and it could go either way

i can promise you that no reputable historial text will call him a puppeteer or anything like that

they will just say he was regarded as unpopular for social security reform and budget cuts, empty medicaid/care promises, etc., as well as the war if in the end the vices outweigh the virtues

just like that one guy, was it hoover or truman or somebody?

i made a b in history, sorry

[BigBallinColin]

I mean that is a correct excuse, but I guess we expect more from a president. other than some dude from connecticut that says he is from texas.

[E-Nice]

how history treats bush depends entirely on Iraq. the man misled the usa into war. if you dont believe this, you are completely retarded. Bush had the wheels in motion starting 9/2001. (Woodward 'Bush at War')

The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it -H. Himmler

[Xodiac]

how history treats bush depends entirely on Iraq.

Bam. There it is.

News today was that a bunch of Sunnis just agreed to a compromise in the constitution. Hopefully what will happen is that the constitution will pass and the institutions will become stronger, and if its true that most of the insurgency fighters are foreign, they will gain less local support. In any case, we're going to be there for a while.

[Ryan]

How could history treat him well when he hasn't done anything right? His entire administration is a trainwreck of stupidity, arrogance, and cronyism.