Has the Big Bang Gone Bust?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by AuralAssassin

I think christianity will acknowledge that evolution has/is occuring... their main contention, is that we have no direct evidence of evolution into other species(which we don't)

I personally have faith in evolution as a theory, and creation is a joke to me... but I could see how someone could believe otherwise.

I don't think evolution can be rationally denied - but as you point out - there are some leaps that it cannot explain (though I'm sure that we'll soon get an earful describing how the absence in the fossil record is not evidence of absence )

[AuralAssassin]

like creation, origin of species cannot be recreated in a lab setting, thus we will never have "proof"

I am willing to accept the possibility that there is a God out there, and I'm not it... I highly doubt the existence thereof, though.

[zerojunkie]

You'll notice that the scientists quoted here are rejecting the Cold Dark Matter theory...the existence of cosmic background radiation is what's commonly used as proof that the Big Bang happend. Furthermore...

Originally Posted by IXOYC

If these men would take the Bible's message for what it is, God's message to them, they could forget the big bang theory and thank their
Creator for His forgiving love in Jesus Christ.

I don't like that type of thinking at all. I'm all for giving thanks to a Creator, but honor them with an understanding of their creation not ignorance.

[Hubb]

man i swear........IOXYC wears me the fuck out with his drabble.....

anyhow.....

chain email=truth...just like ash says

[wes lee]

Originally Posted by IXOYC

[B]
Robert Wilson, co-recipient of the 1978 Nobel Prize for his work on the
big bang, said, "I don't know how many people actually would have sworn
on a stack of Bibles that cold dark matter existed, but this sort of
closes off that avenue."

Am I the only one that found any humor in this statement? Gotta love the propaganda machine.

[Keith P]

Originally Posted by IXOYC

ld take the Bible's message for what it is, God's
message to them, they could forget the big bang theory and thank their
Creator for His forgiving love in Jesus Christ.

~ Hebrews 11:3


"By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,
so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are
visible."

Oh Jesus

pun intended

[AuralAssassin]

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

I'm all for giving thanks to a Creator, but honor them with an understanding of their creation not ignorance.

Not all of us believe in a creator. I am willing to allow that it is POSSIBLE, as long as you are willing to admit that it is also POSSIBLE that there is no more a God in heaven than an Honest Senator in the US Senate...

[zerojunkie]

...no more a God in heaven than an Honest Senator in the US Senate...

I think a couple of them are honest.

[AuralAssassin]

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

I think a couple of them are honest.

I don't think ANY of them are honest. See how easy it is to find differences of opinion?

I'm willing to acknowledge that it is POSSIBLE that there may be ONE... but not PLAUSIBLE :P

[MattM]

can someone briefly explain what 'dark matter' is? I've heard the subject mentioned but never really understood what it was?

[AuralAssassin]

We believe that most of the matter in the universe is dark, i.e. cannot be detected from the light which it emits (or fails to emit). This is "stuff" which cannot be seen directly -- so what makes us think that it exists at all? Its presence is inferred indirectly from the motions of astronomical objects, specifically stellar, galactic, and galaxy cluster/supercluster observations. It is also required in order to enable gravity to amplify the small fluctuations in the Cosmic Microwave Background enough to form the large-scale structures that we see in the universe today.

For each of the stellar, galactic, and galaxy cluster/supercluster observations the basic principle is that if we measure velocities in some region, then there has to be enough mass there for gravity to stop all the objects flying apart. When such velocity measurements are done on large scales, it turns out that the amount of inferred mass is much more than can be explained by the luminous stuff. Hence we infer that there is dark matter in the Universe.

Dark matter has important consequences for the evolution of the Universe and the structure within it. According to general relativity, the Universe must conform to one of three possible types: open, flat, or closed. The total amount of mass and energy in the universe determines which of the three possibilities applies to the Universe. In the case of an open Universe, the total mass and energy density (denoted by the greek letter Omega) is less than unity. If the Universe is closed, Omega is greater than unity. For the case where Omega is exactly equal to one the Universe is "flat".

Note that the dynamics of the Universe are not determined entirely by the geometry (open, closed or flat) unless the Universe contains only matter. In our Universe, where most of Omega comes from dark energy, this relation between the mass density, spatial curvature and the future of the universe no longer holds. It is then no longer true in this case that "geometry (spatial curvature) is destiny." Instead, to find out what will happen one needs to calculate the evolution of the expansion factor of the universe for the specific case of matter density, spatial curvature and "funny energy" to find out what will happen.

[zerojunkie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_dark_matter

[MattM]

sorry for ignorance, but is 'dark matter' just a fancy term for the giant masses contained in black holes? That would explain a lot to me if it is.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by AuralAssassin

I don't think ANY of them are honest. See how easy it is to find differences of opinion?

How many do you know?

We've got 435 Congressmen and 100 Senators - that is a lot of people to condemn as a whole with little to no basis in fact other than your general idea that politicians as a rule must be corrupt.

[AuralAssassin]

Originally Posted by xian

that is a lot of people to condemn as a whole with little to no basis in fact other than your general idea that politicians as a rule must be corrupt.

I was drawing the analogy that I share as much faith in a divine creator as I do in senators not being corrupt.

Neither can be proven or disproven in a lab setting, though there is great evidence that evolution is the origin of species--much like in the coming weeks and months, we will see how deep the Abrahmoff rabbit hole goes--and more evidence will come out about how few legit senators we have.