Bush tells abortion foes, 'We will prevail'

[zerojunkie]

Been kinda dead in here lately, if this doesn't stir the pot nothing will.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/23/ab...nniversary.ap/

[matt]

wow, im shocked.

[Satchel]

You'd think he would have waited until Alito was confirmed.

[la dj]

let's pretend alito does get the spot.

how long til r v w gets overturned?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by la dj

let's pretend alito does get the spot.

how long til r v w gets overturned?

how about - what happens the day after Roe is overturned?

[zerojunkie]

Originally Posted by xian

how about - what happens the day after Roe is overturned?

Skynet takes over and the race wars begin...or so the libs say.


Wonder if pro-choicer's would have the popular vote here if it were left to a vote.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by zerojunkie

Skynet takes over and the race wars begin...or so the libs say.


Wonder if pro-choicer's would have the popular vote here if it were left to a vote.

I think most abortion advocates believe that if Roe is overturned that immediately abortion will be illegal everywhere under all ciscumstances and that Dr.s and mothers will get tossed into the clink - which is of course farce.

I think Roe will get overruled - its horrible legal reasoning... I also think the court will carve out some guidelines preserving the "right" to abortion yet permitting the states to craft restrictions that best suit the preferences of their voters.... eg - late term abortions may be prohibitted under all but some well established conditions etc

but yeah, pro-abortion groups generally feart the issue being subject to popular vote (and they shouldn't I think hard right pro-life group is a minority position - very minority)

[J. Fees]

the U.S. Dark Age 2000-20??. Well you see it all started with this George Bush guy, ...........

saw something today about an abortion rights protest in san fran, & i thought it was kind of tacky of the advocates to decorate their hair with coat hangers & make their kids hold signs of their ultrasound photos with the saying "this is me at 16 weeks". what's the point of that last one? seems like it would throw people towards the other side.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by tv casualty

saw something today about an abortion rights protest in san fran, & i thought it was kind of tacky of the advocates to decorate their hair with coat hangers & make their kids hold signs of their ultrasound photos with the saying "this is me at 16 weeks". what's the point of that last one? seems like it would throw people towards the other side.

only thing that leaps to mind is that the parent, a protester for the right to abort, is pointing out that they didn't abort their child? I'm guessing. I think you're right - its weird at best - it sends an ambiguous message.

[PETA]

Just curious.....


How many "pro-choice" advocates believe that there should be some limits placed on abortion?

How many "pro-life" advocates believe that there are some circumstances were abortion should be permissible?

as to both - what are they?




how's that for pot stirring zj?

[junglist bastid]

statements like that make me like bush even more, but it was bad timing, I wish he woulda waited untill alito was confirmed and then said it; then again, if he is comfirmed anyway we gave a big fuck you to the liberals and that makes me very happy .

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Bastard

statements like that make me like bush even more, but it was bad timing, I wish he woulda waited untill alito was confirmed and then said it; then again, if he is comfirmed anyway we gave a big fuck you to the liberals and that makes me very happy .

But I think you confuse activist notions of the judiciary with those of originalists.... Alito is of the later. He decides isues based on what the law says rather than find clever ways to make the law say what he needs it to say inorder to support his preferred outcome.

Activism is most closely associated with liberals justices (but it is not exclusively so)... they sought to effect policy changes they felt were right, good and proper but denied to the people by state governments... Brown v Board is just a very good example - there are many others like it. Loving is another.

Part of the problem with Activism is that frankly, the early decision were goddamn needed. State government failed the people and SCOTUS corrected those failings. It was an overstepping but an overstepping in the face of a greater wrong. The problem now is with getting the genie back in the bottle.

Alito comes from the school of Scalia, Thomas and Roberts which tries to effect as close to an originalost notion to the constitution as possible.

In practicle terms what they advocate is a more democratic process - let the people decide. They would, I leap to presume, suggest that the civil rights legislation has provided sufficient safeguards to throw more issues back to the states and let federalism work. I see great opportunity and liberty in that notion. 50 states with greater latitude to experiment with policy can, imho, only be a good thing.

We'll see. We are entering a very new era of legal philosophy from the Court. I'm eager to see great things.

hopping of soap bench and taking pom pons with....

[Satchel]

I'm sure you like to tell yourself that.

[Ryan]

I don't think the conservative political leadership actually want to outlaw abortion. This is a cause on which they can very effectively grandstand and get their base to the polls in droves. But when it comes right down to it, most Americans do not want abortion outlawed and it will cause them to lose not only the cause, but those moderate votes that have pushed them into office in recent years. And let's face it, the GOP can't afford to lose anything at this point.