the Germans and Genocide(before the Holocaust)

[alvin]

A little known fact on the global level...regarded as the first genocide of the 20th century...

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1076474

I guess "practice makes perfect"...

[alvin]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4623516.stm

http://www.fatherryan.org/holocaust/hereogen/Herero/

[alvin]

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1287663,00.html

[alvin]

http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/jobrien/reference/ob22.html

[alvin]

Originally Posted by Edwin Watson

we got it alvin... my white ancestors did bad stuff to your ancestors...

i deeply regret that it happened.

it wasnt me.

i could give less than a crap what color, creed, nationality, shade, height, weight, anything you or anyone else is.

can we move on?

Maybe you should tell that to our Jewish brothers & sisters who NEVER let anyone forget the horrible things that have been done to them(which is their right) . Wasn't Schlinder's(sp?) List a Oscar winner a few years ago??? There is no need for the hostile condesceding language, what's wrong with enlightening the mind??? If it happened, it happened. The only thing to do is bring awareness to the mind so hopefully it doesn't happen again.

And maybe u should tell the descendants of the Herero to "move on" and not seek compensation for the pain and suffering.

[J. Fees]

theres been a ton of genocides, we got that part. The Turks committed genocide against the Armenians in the early 20th century.

Alvin, what about genocides committed by native Africans, against other native Africans? What about the Slave traders that sold their own people into slavery for Europeans?

[alvin]

Originally Posted by J. Feez

theres been a ton of genocides, we got that part. The Turks committed genocide against the Armenians in the early 20th century.

Alvin, what about genocides committed by native Africans, against other native Africans? What about the Slave traders that sold their own people into slavery for Europeans?

EVIL KNOWS NO COLOR LINES!!! Genocide is genocide regardless of ethnicity, religion or race...cruelty is cruelty no matter how you slice it. And what about slave traders who sold their own people into slavery???(they sold WHITE PEOPLE TOO...check your history)...

genocides committed by native African, against other native Africans...go back and do some research on the negative impact of the colonial powers(esp. in Rwanda...pitting Tutsi vs. Hutu, one was deemed SUPERIOR and the other INFERIOR...further inflaming tribal differences) and its role in so-called African genocide.

[J. Fees]

Originally Posted by alvin

EVIL KNOWS NO COLOR LINES!!! Genocide is genocide regardless of ethnicity, religion or race...cruelty is cruelty no matter how you slice it. And what about slave traders who sold their own people into slavery???(they sold WHITE PEOPLE TOO...check your history)...

genocides committed by native African, against other native Africans...go back and do some research on the negative impact of the colonial powers(esp. in Rwanda...pitting Tutsi vs. Hutu, one was deemed SUPERIOR and the other INFERIOR...further inflaming tribal differences) and its role in so-called African genocide.

since I've got a history degree, i'll go back and see what i can find out. The bottom line is that there are bad/evil people of all races/ethnicities/nationalities, so to continue to promote an agenda of white vs. black does nothing but hurt your credibility.

[alvin]

Originally Posted by Edwin Watson

Amistad, Roots, American History X, the Color Purple, Beloved, Malcolm X, Mississippi Burning, To Kill A Mockingbird, A Soldiers Story, Do The Right Thing, Mississippi Masala, Ali, Glory.

those were all very well recognized stories regarding the african american plight in the US....

*edit* here is a great list of films that deal with racism... how many have to do with Jews and how many deal with african americans?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...-related_films

Jews ... 3? African Americans...30?


also, except for the state of Israel... what repairations are the Jews demanding exactly?

I am just pointing out that at a minimum 99% of your posts on here are regarding racism. It is almost as if you know or pay attention to nothing else.

I understand your point of view on this issue. On that, there is no mystery. I am familiar with just about everything that you have posted on here. Perhaps some others are not, so while it is educational, I would encourage you to comment on non-race related issues on occassion.

I did not intend to be hostile or condescending. I will admit that I am a bit frustrated tho.

Incidentally, for me personally, your tone does not come off as educational, it is "Hey, your people are evil and bad... recognize and repent!!!" repeated over and over and over and over. It seems like every chance you get you interject this into every discussion, for me, it gets old.


Thus the... "look, I am really sorry that the people with a similar skin tone to mine were really bad to the people with a similar skin tone of yours at various points in history. I know it happened, and I think that it was and is wrong, but I didnt do it. Can we move on and talk about something else for a while..." comment.

"your tone does not come off as educational"

first off you shouldn't be concerned about my 'tone'...if this information makes you feel bad...deal with it. It should make EVERYONE FEEL BAD that WE as human beings(supposedly SOOOO intelligent) continue to allow shit like this to happen...what's the old saying..." those who fail to LEARN from history, are DOOMED to repeat it"

"I know it happened, and I think that it was and is wrong, but I didnt do it"

secondly, as an individual the stance can ALWAYS be taken "I didn't do it"(maybe that's why the Germans are reluctant to fork over reparations...claiming "I didn't do it"...while justice is diverted yet again)...but COLLECTIVELY we all are responsible for allowing stuff like this to happen...over and over and over(ad nasuem) again.


"I am just pointing out that at a minimum 99% of your posts on here are regarding racism. It is almost as if you know or pay attention to nothing else." hmmm because 'racism' is steeped in hypocrisy...and last time I checked this nation has a long history steeped in hypocrisy...and I could fathom that 99% of the issues that bog down this great nation is rooted in America's(perhaps the entire planet) continued "whitewashing" of all things dealing with its criminal racial history.

And if I had a dollar for every time I was called "Ricky Williams" by some white person who OBVIOUSLY is "paying attention" to my 'race' more closely than I am...

[alvin]

Originally Posted by J. Feez

since I've got a history degree, i'll go back and see what i can find out. The bottom line is that there are bad/evil people of all races/ethnicities/nationalities, so to continue to promote an agenda of white vs. black does nothing but hurt your credibility.

"so to continue to promote an agenda of white vs. black does nothing but hurt your credibility"

Last time I checked I've been "classified" as 'black'...so I have to deal with that reality living in a system that HISTORICALLY has not had my best interests(as a 'black' person) in mind...so wouldn't it come natural to bring to light issues that not just affect me but everyone who I come into contact with???

So have you been following the upcoming Dallas mayoral race(the lines are being drawn black vs. white vs. brown)...so it would be safe to surmise that this so-called "agenda" of mine is also someone's much larger 'agenda'...

What have I done to "hurt my credibility"??? Bring an injustice to light. I'm not here to sugar coat anything...the truth is sometimes a bitter pill to swallow.

[alvin]

"what repairations are the Jews demanding exactly?"


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...parations.html

at least the Germans OFFERED to pay...I guess their response to the Africans speaks volumes....

[J. Fees]

Originally Posted by alvin

"so to continue to promote an agenda of white vs. black does nothing but hurt your credibility"

Last time I checked I've been "classified" as 'black'...so I have to deal with that reality living in a system that HISTORICALLY has not had my best interests(as a 'black' person) in mind...so wouldn't it come natural to bring to light issues that not just affect me but everyone who I come into contact with???

So have you been following the upcoming Dallas mayoral race(the lines are being drawn black vs. white vs. brown)...so it would be safe to surmise that this so-called "agenda" of mine is also someone's much larger 'agenda'...

What have I done to "hurt my credibility"??? Bring an injustice to light. I'm not here to sugar coat anything...the truth is sometimes a bitter pill to swallow.

I would say that the reason you hurt your credibility is that every race on earth has been discriminated/killed/enslaved at some point or other, and to only focus on African issues, belittles the struggles of other peoples. You deal with it every day, and as person of non European descent, living in a majority "White" population, I do too. To focus on it(racism) would hinder my focus on being successful in a world where I need the respect and cooperation of all people that I deal with regardless of skin color or ethinic background.

[alvin]

Originally Posted by J. Feez

I would say that the reason you hurt your credibility is that every race on earth has been discriminated/killed/enslaved at some point or other, and to only focus on African issues, belittles the struggles of other peoples. You deal with it every day, and as person of non European descent, living in a majority "White" population, I do too. To focus on it(racism) would hinder my focus on being successful in a world where I need the respect and cooperation of all people that I deal with regardless of skin color or ethinic background.

I would say that the reason you hurt your credibility is that every race on earth has been discriminated/killed/enslaved at some point or other, and to only focus on African issues, belittles the struggles of other peoples
Belittles the struggles of other people??? Africa(proper) as the birthplace of humanity is regarded as truth right??? So wouldn't the plight of the African ENRICH all of humanity??? Like I said before 'racism' is at the least hypocritical and at best THE GREATEST LIE TOLD TO MANKIND...and it can be said that the 'focus' on racism BY 'whites' has hindered THEIR focus on being successful in a world where THEY need the respect and cooperation of ALL PEOPLE...to quote your fine words.

Living in a majority "White" population??? On a GLOBAL level the MAJORITY of the population is classified 'non-white'.

[J. Fees]

Living in a majority "White" population??? On a GLOBAL level the MAJORITY of the population is classified 'non-white'.

but the U.S. not so much. Why does Africa need any more respect or cooperation than other people?

[alvin]

Originally Posted by J. Feez

but the U.S. not so much. Why does Africa need any more respect or cooperation than other people?

Why has Africa(and it's children) been maligned,exploited and scorned more than any other??? Does Africa deserve any LESS respect or cooperation than other people????

If we are ALL global children than this whole minority and MAJORity tricknology is null and void...