Abortion in America?

[DREX]

Originally Posted by xian

I firmly support legal abortion for any purpose during the first trimester. I support abortion subsequently only under narrowly drawn circumstances. Life of the mother should never be an issue - given the choice of saving the unborn child or the mother the choice is obvious even if sad. Issues of rape and incest are also situations that would, imo, permit termination beyond the first trimester. The sad fact is this, there are times when we as a society must permit the taking life.

the problem i have always seen with the rape argument is that it is very difficult to prove unless reported immedietly after the incedent...typically beyond that it becomes the word of the victim....if rape were the sole reason that one could have an abortion after the first trimester i would suspect we would see a sharp increase in claims of rape

[kalamu]

Originally Posted by xian

Life of the mother should never be an issue - given the choice of saving the unborn child or the mother the choice is obvious even if sad.

what does this mean? you would support saving the mother or child in this situation?

my stance is that if the mothers health is in danger then it's up to the mother to decide. in fact my position is that it's up to the mother to decide regardless of the situation. if the woman wants an abortion and it's medically possible to do it then it should be done.

[Satchel]

Originally Posted by xian

But the common perception or card played in the media is that the government is about to throw mothers who have abortions into prison. Denis Kucinich said exactly that... that some Senators wanted to throw mothers who had abortions into prison on Chris Matthews a couple years ago. That comment, while stupid, is no that far from popular (common) belief.

So if all second and third term abortions were banned, what do you think would be the appropriate action to take if someone had one? I don't see why jailing them would be such a stretch.

[DREX]

Originally Posted by kalamu

what does this mean? you would support saving the mother or child in this situation?

my stance is that if the mothers health is in danger then it's up to the mother to decide. in fact my position is that it's up to the mother to decide regardless of the situation. if the woman wants an abortion and it's medically possible to do it then it should be done.

if a person wants there own leg cut off and its possible should it be legal for them to do it?...not trying to bait a fight here just asking a hypothetical

[kalamu]

Originally Posted by DREX

if a person wants there own leg cut off and its possible should it be legal for them to do it?...not trying to bait a fight here just asking a hypothetical

if they are of sane mind then sure. not sure if we should force doctors to do it for them but i don't see why we should punish someone for cutting their own leg off.

[Dionysos]

Originally Posted by kalamu

if they are of sane mind then sure. not sure if we should force doctors to do it for them but i don't see why we should punish someone for cutting their own leg off.

How can a person that wants to cut off their own leg be considered sane, exactly?

[kalamu]

Originally Posted by Dionysos

How can a person that wants to cut off their own leg be considered sane, exactly?

hey, i didn't come up with the stupid hypothetical question

insane people aren't allowed to ask for abortions, are they?

[DREX]

Originally Posted by kalamu

hey, i didn't come up with the stupid hypothetical question

insane people aren't allowed to ask for abortions, are they?

of course they are

[Dionysos]

Originally Posted by kalamu

hey, i didn't come up with the stupid hypothetical question

insane people aren't allowed to ask for abortions, are they?

I think if you're insane, you forfeit your right to procreate. Then again I feel that way about retarded people too, so I'm probably not the best person to ask.

[DREX]

Originally Posted by Dionysos

I think if you're insane, you forfeit your right to procreate. Then again I feel that way about retarded people too, so I'm probably not the best person to ask.

insanity is a legal term that only applies within the context of a criminal act....do you feel people with ocd should be able to have babies?...what about severe add?

[housefish]

Originally Posted by kalamu

what does this mean? you would support saving the mother or child in this situation?

my stance is that if the mothers health is in danger then it's up to the mother to decide. in fact my position is that it's up to the mother to decide regardless of the situation. if the woman wants an abortion and it's medically possible to do it then it should be done.

Wait you aren't for the DP but you give a big thumbs up to abortions......

[kalamu]

Originally Posted by housefish

Wait you aren't for the DP but you give a big thumbs up to abortions......

yep. they aren't the same thing.

[Hey Bubu]

If a woman or couple agree to have an abortion (for whatever reason they come up with), and if it doesn't cost me/the government any money, then they can do whatever the fuck they want.

My belief system should not affect anyone but me.

[housefish]

Originally Posted by kalamu

yep. they aren't the same thing.

I just find it strange.

[Hey Bubu]

Originally Posted by Dionysos

I think if you're insane, you forfeit your right to procreate. Then again I feel that way about ddmers, ravers, and humans in general, so I'm probably not the best person to ask.

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