Governemnt decides that they need to test new weapons on americans before use in war

[e-brake]

CNN.com - Air Force chief: Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs - Sep 12, 2006

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before being used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.
The object is basically public relations. Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions from others about possible safety considerations, said Secretary Michael Wynne.
"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne. "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."
The Air Force has paid for research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service is unlikely to spend more money on development until injury problems are reviewed by medical experts and resolved.
Nonlethal weapons generally can weaken people if they are hit with the beam. Some of the weapons can emit short, intense energy pulses that also can be effective in disabling some electronic devices.
On another subject, Wynne said he expects to choose a new contractor for the next generation aerial refueling tankers by next summer. He said a draft request for bids will be put out next month, and there are two qualified bidders: the Boeing Co. and a team of Northrop Grumman Corp. and European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co., the majority owner of European jet maker Airbus SAS.
The contract is expected to be worth at least $20 billion (€15.75 billion).
Chicago, Illinois-based Boeing lost the tanker deal in 2004 amid revelations that it had hired a top Air Force acquisitions official who had given the company preferential treatment.
Wynne also said the Air Force, which is already chopping 40,000 active duty, civilian and reserves jobs, is now struggling to find new ways to slash about $1.8 billion (€1.4 billion) from its budget to cover costs from the latest round of base closings.
He said he can't cut more people, and it would not be wise to take funding from military programs that are needed to protect the country. But he said he also incurs resistance when he tries to save money on operations and maintenance by retiring aging aircraft.
"We're finding out that those are, unfortunately, prized possessions of some congressional districts," said Wynne, adding that the Air Force will have to "take some appetite suppressant pills." He said he has asked employees to look for efficiencies in their offices.
The base closings initially were expected to create savings by reducing Air Force infrastructure by 24 percent.

[Nyteshade]

ummm....Wow.

I know there are riot control weapons utilizing ultrasonic frequencies available that the police use but this guy has the wrong frame of mind here. This sounds like a career breaking speech.

[Hey Bubu]

Attn: Black people.

RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!

[zerojunkie]

Isn't that how the less-than-lethal product cycle has usually gone though?

[Cos]

Originally Posted by Porkchop Avenger

Attn: Black people.

RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!

LOLL!!!

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Nyteshade

ummm....Wow.

I know there are riot control weapons utilizing ultrasonic frequencies available that the police use but this guy has the wrong frame of mind here. This sounds like a career breaking speech.

Yeah - I've heard some of them... probably not the ones you refer to but the use of essentially amazingly annoying noise to move a crowd.... hell this bar I hung out at in college.. it was in a basement... after last call they'd throw on these goddamn bright as the fucking sun halogen floods and the people fled like cockroaches

anyway - microwaves... don't they cook shit?

[e-brake]

Originally Posted by xian

anyway - microwaves... don't they cook shit?

Im guesing that we will get to see quite the spike in cancer about 5-10 years after they start using this shit on large crowds. Guess thats one way to controll those liberals, hit them with some experamental bandwith in large numbers and wait for the damaged cells to kill them off slowly.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by e-brake

Im guesing that we will get to see quite the spike in cancer about 5-10 years after they start using this shit on large crowds. Guess thats one way to controll those liberals, hit them with some experamental bandwith in large numbers and wait for the damaged cells to kill them off slowly.

no need for that - they breed in much smaller numbers

[alvin]

Shoot me, please: the perils of nonlethal weapons testing — JSCMS

the knowledge of "non-lethal" weapons has been circulating around the conspiracy(???) community for years. Major media outlet CNN(I guess it takes a MAJOR MEDIA outlet to report it to be considered TRUE) is just reporting what has been going on for ages. A few years ago if someone was attempting to tell the general public that the government was going to "test" a new weapon on them they would RUSH to judgement and claim that person to be a 'tin-foiler'. But the government has run 'tests' on citizens before( ie. the Tuskegee Experiment).

[hepkatmama]

i applaud the airforce chief for standing up to misguided orders from superior officers. bucking a direct order is a career killer for sure. good for him.

he was really saying... "wtf...u want us to microwave civilians? civilians are women & children whether they are iraqi or american."

using untested methods for crowd control is just asking for trouble.

[hepkatmama]

Originally Posted by Nyteshade

ummm....Wow.

I know there are riot control weapons utilizing ultrasonic frequencies available that the police use but this guy has the wrong frame of mind here. This sounds like a career breaking speech.

don't take what he's saying the wrong way. he's not saying lets actually microwave americans. he's saying he shouldnt' be asked to use these untested methods. that using this will make america look bad... kinda like agent orange.

he was just using the analogy to make ppl realize that civilians are civilians.

how ironic is it to microwave hungry people?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by alvin

Shoot me, please: the perils of nonlethal weapons testing — JSCMS

the knowledge of "non-lethal" weapons has been circulating around the conspiracy(???) community for years. Major media outlet CNN(I guess it takes a MAJOR MEDIA outlet to report it to be considered TRUE) is just reporting what has been going on for ages. A few years ago if someone was attempting to tell the general public that the government was going to "test" a new weapon on them they would RUSH to judgement and claim that person to be a 'tin-foiler'. But the government has run 'tests' on citizens before( ie. the Tuskegee Experiment).

alvin - less than lethal force is neither new nor known only to conspiracy theorists..........

Tazers, pepper spray, bean bag guns, rubber bullets, stun grenades etc etc etc.

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The Tuskegee Experiment? That has nothing to do with non-lethal weapons alvin.