migrants contribute to the economy

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Education has indeed done us well my friend.

[la dj]

Originally Posted by joe mac

education has done you well i see.

you're not going to bait me.

i'm done feeding the monkeys today.

keep living the dream!

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by la dj

you're not going to bait me.

i'm done feeding the monkeys today.

keep living the dream!

not trying to bait you, just pointing the obvious.

[zcwilly]

Originally Posted by joe mac

interesting to see that capitalism has brainwashed you
haha kidding
yes it is the governments right to provide free healthcare regardless of the person(s)
why do you think 1 in 5 americans has no healthcare
and 1 in 7 are functionally illiterate

healthcare is a right, not a private club.. that the the middle class can barely afford and the rich can pay for

venezuela's illiteracy rate has dropped enormously since chavez took office.
and for you economists, venezuela's growth is 10% the u.s. has about 2-4% usually.
regardless that is A LOT

to not, most of venezuela's growth has been in the private sector.

side note: chavez's social programs are great but his environmental policy needs real work

do you history, look at both sides, and then come back to me when you know what you are talking about.



if socialism failed in nicaragua, then why is ortega back in office?
haha

Healthcare is not a "right" it is a privilege. Do you think we would have as many doctors as we do if the job didn't pay well? Where do you think all of these advances in medicine and technology are coming from? Money, and money is not a "right" for people who don't work for it. However, our government still provides billions of dollars to the elderly, disabled, and poor, as they should.

Here is the fundamental difference in what we believe:

You think the gov't should provide everything for the people.

Most people in the US think the gov't should provide the opportunity for those people to go out and get it themselves.

Otherwise, your society turns lazy and unproductive. Just look at the incident in France as a great example of this: There were riots in the streets because employers wanted the power to fire an employee if they weren't doing their job. But noooo, all of the young workers want a guarantee that they can sit on their ass and not be fired for two years. How efficient do you think that business is going to be? and why do you think they have so much trouble finding jobs?

By the way, if you think Nicaraguans are living better than us, you are smoking crack. "hahaha"

[molecule]

Originally Posted by joe mac

to not, most of venezuela's growth has been in the private sector.

Tell that to the mass amounts of private buisness owners who fled to Miami when Chavez took power. You don't know what your talking about.

Originally Posted by joe mac

side note: chavez's social programs are great but his environmental policy needs real work

His environmental policies are a failure because of his economic success (Oil). Do your homework on the sulfur content of Venezuela's oil.

Originally Posted by joe mac

if socialism failed in nicaragua, then why is ortega back in office?
haha

This is the most stupid question yet, and the easiest to answer. Its called "Pimping the Poor". Socialist leaders get elected easily in third world nations because they blow smoke up the asses of the poorest people, lie to them, paint thier damn village park before election day, and drive them to the polls. In many of these latin american nations, you are required to vote, so the poor villagers who have been suckered by the socialist out vote the out numbered middle class who have some education and know better. This is how all my friends in latin america explain it. This shit aint new Mac.

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Damn, someone should've done some research before stepping up to the plate.

[I AM EL-NINO]

He does this shit all the time.
See Joe Mack...Im not crazy or stupid.
No one wants to hear your crappy rhetoric.
Take your socialistic ass back to Venezuela like I told you to do months ago.

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by zcwilly

Healthcare is not a "right" it is a privilege. Do you think we would have as many doctors as we do if the job didn't pay well? Where do you think all of these advances in medicine and technology are coming from? Money, and money is not a "right" for people who don't work for it. However, our government still provides billions of dollars to the elderly, disabled, and poor, as they should.

Here is the fundamental difference in what we believe:

You think the gov't should provide everything for the people.

Most people in the US think the gov't should provide the opportunity for those people to go out and get it themselves.

Otherwise, your society turns lazy and unproductive. Just look at the incident in France as a great example of this: There were riots in the streets because employers wanted the power to fire an employee if they weren't doing their job. But noooo, all of the young workers want a guarantee that they can sit on their ass and not be fired for two years. How efficient do you think that business is going to be? and why do you think they have so much trouble finding jobs?

By the way, if you think Nicaraguans are living better than us, you are smoking crack. "hahaha"

sorry healthcare is a right, not a priviledge.
it should be a basic human right to everyone.
yes, i think doctors can have one less yacht and get a minimum 100,000.00 a year.
one could say sales tax is a means of keeping the rich richer and the poor, poorer.

i never said nicaraguans were living better than us, but i do think because of past U.S. involvement they are living worse off.

again you failed to answer the question
(why did nicaragua re-elect ortega)
...because you do not know what you are talking about

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by molecule

Tell that to the mass amounts of private buisness owners who fled to Miami when Chavez took power. You don't know what your talking about.


His environmental policies are a failure because of his economic success (Oil). Do your homework on the sulfur content of Venezuela's oil.


This is the most stupid question yet, and the easiest to answer. Its called "Pimping the Poor". Socialist leaders get elected easily in third world nations because they blow smoke up the asses of the poorest people, lie to them, paint thier damn village park before election day, and drive them to the polls. In many of these latin american nations, you are required to vote, so the poor villagers who have been suckered by the socialist out vote the out numbered middle class who have some education and know better. This is how all my friends in latin america explain it. This shit aint new Mac.

haha, why did the private business flee to the U.S. ?
give me a break man, after the U.S. and the rich removed him from power in 2002 the masses put him back in power.
gee i wonder why

obviously you did not do your research earlier, compare chavez to previous presidents...and then come back and tell me that chavez was a worse president than the others, sorry not going to happen.

and so capitalist/conservative people in power do not do the same thing?
haha yea right

and i am not just refering to the oil when it comes to environmental policy

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by I AM EL-NINO

He does this shit all the time.
See Joe Mack...Im not crazy or stupid.
No one wants to hear your crappy rhetoric.
Take your socialistic ass back to Venezuela like I told you to do months ago.

haha

[molecule]

Originally Posted by joe mac

haha, why did the private business flee to the U.S. ?

you tell me..
Is it because any business that becomes financially sucessful is quickly snatched up by the socialist government and/or taxed into oblivion?? Yes, yes it is.

Originally Posted by joe mac

give me a break man, after the U.S. and the rich removed him from power in 2002 the masses put him back in power.
gee i wonder why

read what i wrote about pimping the poor

Originally Posted by joe mac

obviously you did not do your research earlier, compare chavez to previous presidents...and then come back and tell me that chavez was a worse president than the others, sorry not going to happen.

I only have to listen to Chaves' own bullshit to know that the people of Venezuela deserve better.

Originally Posted by joe mac

and so capitalist/conservative people in power do not do the same thing?
haha yea right

Actually, they get beat in elections all the time, because they do not, by their idealogy, pander to the poor. You obviously don't know anything about capitalists and conservatives. They are not at all about handouts to the poor, and empty promises. Why do you think poor people vote democratic? This is basic knowledge here mac, Im not telling you anything you shouldn't have learned in highschool.

Chavez exists only because we buy his stinky ass oil. Why do you think south Houston stinks so damn bad? The only refineries in the world that can handle his rotten ass oil are along our gulf coast. Oil consists of 80% of his country's revenue, 80% of his oil exports come right here to our gulf coast. Without us, he is nothing, he will be eaten alive by his own. His retoric will be the death of him, we will eventually go elsewhere for our energy needs.

[zcwilly]

Originally Posted by joe mac

sorry healthcare is a right, not a priviledge.
it should be a basic human right to everyone.
yes, i think doctors can have one less yacht and get a minimum 100,000.00 a year.
one could say sales tax is a means of keeping the rich richer and the poor, poorer.

i never said nicaraguans were living better than us, but i do think because of past U.S. involvement they are living worse off.

again you failed to answer the question
(why did nicaragua re-elect ortega)
...because you do not know what you are talking about

Again, the same problem. You are living in Joe Mac world while the rest of us see things the way they really are. The only reason we have such huge advances in medicine is because there is a financial incentive for drug companies and private investors to invest billions of dollars in those technologies. Without them, we wouldn't have cures to many of the diseases that we do today. Do you really think a doctor would spend all that time at medical school only to get his earnings confiscated by the government?

Ah yes, this is a recurring theme among socialists such as yourself. Blame the good ol' USA when you can't get your shit together!

I didn't answer your question because it is irrelevant, why did a bunch of people with no money elect somene who promised them the farm? It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Just look at our standard of living compared to theirs. It is better because we have the opportunity and incentive to do better. You won't listen to logic because you are blinded by your ideology.

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by molecule

you tell me..
Is it because any business that becomes financially sucessful is quickly snatched up by the socialist government and/or taxed into oblivion?? Yes, yes it is.

.

fact, venezuela's growth rate is 10% in the last year or two
the the majority of that growth being in the private sector

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by molecule

I only have to listen to Chaves' own bullshit to know that the people of Venezuela deserve better.
.

riiight
so is that why morales the guy leading the opposition to chavez is now turning to populist propaganda ?

why did 70% of venezuela vote for chavez in 1998?

why did the illiteracy rate go down?

[zcwilly]

Originally Posted by joe mac

fact, venezuela's growth rate is 10% in the last year or two
the the majority of that growth being in the private sector

Dude, their growth rate went up because the price of oil went up. Not to mention they reneged on all of their agreements with foreign companies who invested billions in their infrastructure in good faith. Once their oil runs out, your buddy Chavez and the rest of Venezuela is going to be shit outta luck.