migrants contribute to the economy

[zcwilly]

You're a factual kind of guy, chew on these facts: Venezuela continues to be highly dependent on the petroleum sector, accounting for roughly one-third of GDP, around 80% of export earnings, and over half of government operating revenues. Government revenue also has been bolstered by increased tax collection, which has surpassed its 2005 collection goal by almost 50%. Tax revenue is the primary source of non-oil revenue, which accounts for 53% of the 2006 budget. A disastrous two-month national oil strike, from December 2002 to February 2003, temporarily halted economic activity. The economy remained in depression in 2003, declining by 9.2% after an 8.9% fall in 2002. Output recovered strongly in 2004-2005, aided by high oil prices and strong consumption growth. Venezuela continues to be an important source of crude oil for the US market. Both inflation and unemployment remain fundamental problems.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...k/geos/ve.html

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by zcwilly

You're a factual kind of guy, chew on these facts: Venezuela continues to be highly dependent on the petroleum sector, accounting for roughly one-third of GDP, around 80% of export earnings, and over half of government operating revenues. Government revenue also has been bolstered by increased tax collection, which has surpassed its 2005 collection goal by almost 50%. Tax revenue is the primary source of non-oil revenue, which accounts for 53% of the 2006 budget. A disastrous two-month national oil strike, from December 2002 to February 2003, temporarily halted economic activity. The economy remained in depression in 2003, declining by 9.2% after an 8.9% fall in 2002. Output recovered strongly in 2004-2005, aided by high oil prices and strong consumption growth. Venezuela continues to be an important source of crude oil for the US market. Both inflation and unemployment remain fundamental problems.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...k/geos/ve.html

and then...

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by zcwilly

Dude, their growth rate went up because the price of oil went up. Not to mention they reneged on all of their agreements with foreign companies who invested billions in their infrastructure in good faith. Once their oil runs out, your buddy Chavez and the rest of Venezuela is going to be shit outta luck.

which is why they are decentralizing their gov't and diversifying their economy.

riiight, because foreign transnationals have never exploited developing nations..haha

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by zcwilly

So you believe that everyone has a "right" to a free home, free healthcare, and free food no matter how lazy or uneducated they are. It is the government's responsibility to provide this to them, and it should be taken from people who earned it. I've got some news for you in case you haven't noticed.. Venezuela and Nicaragua got nothin' on us. Socialism is a failed system and history has proven that time and time again.

yes i think people have a right to free healthcare
regardless who they are and what they do.

we are looking at the long run.

for example, it is better to rent or to buy?
buy of course... in the long run

so if you make healthcare a priveledge to those who who were born with the priveledge of having money, then, they have no problems.

but those who are poor, working hourly jobs, have a high school education, cannot afford to pay for medical care.

healthcare is right, not a priveldge.. this is not a country club.

[zcwilly]

Not everyone who has money inherited it pal, they worked hard for it. People don't have a "right" to live longer than they were supposed to, that is a ridiculous notion. If all healthcare and medication was free, the system would crumble because there wouldn't be billions of dollars in private investments for research, less doctors because of lower pay, and we would make no more significant advances in medicine, especially not compared to the leaps and bounds we are making now. I can see there is no point in discussing this further because of the fundamental belief that you think people should be given everything and I think they should earn it.

[J. Fees]

Most immigrants only use cash, and they buy lots of retail goods, so when they pay sales tax, they pay tax. Maybe not federal taxes, but believe me, they pay taxes. I can't even believe this is still an issue.

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by zcwilly

If all healthcare and medication was free, the system would crumble because there wouldn't be billions of dollars in private investments for research, less doctors because of lower pay, and we would make no more significant advances in medicine

if this is so true, why do 1 in 5 americans not have healthcare.

that does not soundlike a significant advance in medicine to me.

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by zcwilly

I can see there is no point in discussing this further because of the fundamental belief that you think people should be given everything and I think they should earn it.

if you want the poor and middle class to survive you need universal healthcare.


healthcare, is a basic human right. it is not a priviledge that only the rich can afford because they "earned it".

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by J. Feez

Most immigrants only use cash, and they buy lots of retail goods, so when they pay sales tax, they pay tax. Maybe not federal taxes, but believe me, they pay taxes. I can't even believe this is still an issue.

another misconception, many migrants have checking accounts and use debit/credit cards.

they also pay federal taxes with fake social security cards.

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by xian

illegal aliens are a significant source of violent and property crime

http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html

http://www.capoliticalnews.com/s/spip.php?article25

caution - Bill Spillz disclaimer - National Review Article*

http://www.nationalreview.com/dunphy...0601300847.asp



* The National Review is a political journal intended to be a voice of conservative opinion - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review

white people are a significant source of racism and bigotry...your point?

[Nyteshade]

Originally Posted by joe mac

white people are a significant source of racism and bigotry...your point?

No more so than any other race currently. The difference is when a white person does it, it's plastered all over the news.

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by Nyteshade

No more so than any other race currently. The difference is when a white person does it, it's plastered all over the news.

maybe, maybe not

[PETA]

Originally Posted by joe mac

yes i think people have a right to free healthcare regardless who they are and what they do.

Free? Really? What are you goping to do hold doctors families hostage in order to force them to provide free services? What about the lab techs and the equipment manufacturers?

Oh... wait a minute - you mean health care paid for by the state - - in other words.... at tax payer expense.

There is no right to healthcare. You want free health care - go to an ER at a public hospital and give a fake name... or go to Venezuela aor Cuba for the fine medical treatment offered free of charge in either of those places.

Originally Posted by joe mac

healthcare is right, not a priveldge..

no - it is not a right - you wish it to be an entitlement - which is pretty much already is

[Hubb]

joe mac you are a big fucking douchebag

i work hard for my infrastructre here in the US and i dont appreciate USERS like you.......always willing to take in the name of what is RIGHT, even though you and your kind do it in the most WRONG way possible.

In a world ruled by hypocricy, you sir would be king

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Xian's the head chef at the Truth Cafe. Watch the internet foil gibberish around him or else you'll get served.