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Hey Bubu · 11-20-06, 11:58 AM

http://www.discover.com/issues/feb-04/cover/

Cosmologists Paul Steinhardt and Neil Turok have a radical idea that could wipe away these mysteries. They theorize that the cosmos was never compacted into a single point and did not spring forth in a violent instant. Instead, the universe as we know it is a small cross section of a much grander universe whose true magnitude is hidden in dimensions we cannot perceive. What we think of as the Big Bang, they contend, was the result of a collision between our three-dimensional world and another three-dimensional world less than the width of a proton away from ours—right next to us, and yet displaced in a way that renders it invisible. Moreover, they say the Big Bang is just the latest in a cycle of cosmic collisions stretching infinitely into the past and into the future. Each collision creates the universe anew. The 13.7-billion-year history of our cosmos is just a moment in this endless expanse of time.

-m- · 11-20-06, 12:00 PM

Wow. Awesome!

Xodiac · 11-20-06, 01:23 PM

Hah cool, I was expecting to click on this and read some BS argument about creationism.

Hey Bubu · 11-20-06, 02:46 PM

PETA · 11-21-06, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Xodiac

Hah cool, I was expecting to click on this and read some BS argument about creationism.

How'd those universes get there to collide?

underneath it all is information and intelligence which suggests intent - which makes much more sense than the notion that life the universe and everything is no more than a product of lots of fortuitous random events eventually culminating in you xodiac

Edit · 11-21-06, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by xian

How'd those universes get there to collide?

underneath it all is information and intelligence which suggests intent - which makes much more sense than the notion that life the universe and everything is no more than a product of lots of fortuitous random events eventually culminating in you xodiac

Al gore made them.

PETA · 11-21-06, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Edit

Al gore made them.

man bear pig

Dionysos · 11-21-06, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by xian

How'd those universes get there to collide?

underneath it all is information and intelligence which suggests intent

...to you. It doesn't suggest any such thing to me. To each their own.

PETA · 11-21-06, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dionysos

...to you. It doesn't suggest any such thing to me. To each their own.

what does it suggest?

Being in the majority of humans alive (and who have ever been alive) proves nothing about the origin of the universe but it does provide company

Dionysos · 11-21-06, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by xian

what does it suggest?

It doesn't suggest anything to me. There's a lot in this universe we don't understand; the difference is that you're willing to believe an imaginary being is playing us all like marionettes, but I don't.

Of course I'd be willing to change that view if you accept my trade offer.

Xodiac · 11-21-06, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by xian

How'd those universes get there to collide?

underneath it all is information and intelligence which suggests intent - which makes much more sense than the notion that life the universe and everything is no more than a product of lots of fortuitous random events eventually culminating in you xodiac

Okay, but here's the kicker, can explain exactly WHY it is that the notion time extending infinitely into the past and future doesn't "make sense"? I mean, the idea that we live in 27 dimentions but only experience 3 of them doesn't make intuitive sense. Neither does the earth being round, we basically experience it as flat.

"Intent" is not even a scientific term, it's more of a psycho-philosophical term used used in the sense you're describing.

Hey Bubu · 11-21-06, 10:17 AM

All we can do is speculate and try to comprehend what is going on with what little we see and understand at this point in time. I do agree with the notion that some gaseous vertebrate is out there to get me and make my life hell if I don't believe in it, is rather silly.

Dionysos · 11-21-06, 10:20 AM

How exactly does a gaseous entity have a spine, Hernando?

Funkenstein · 11-21-06, 10:23 AM

I think, therefore I am. Since I don't believe in the rest of you, you don't really exist.

How about them apples?

- Sir Isaac Newton

Edit · 11-21-06, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dionysos

How exactly does a gaseous entity have a spine, Hernando?

Since when did something need a spine to make your life a living hell?

11-20-06, 11:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Hey Bubu Funky Spunk Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: take a left at the cow Posts: 17,124	Before the bang http://www.discover.com/issues/feb-04/cover/ Cosmologists Paul Steinhardt and Neil Turok have a radical idea that could wipe away these mysteries. They theorize that the cosmos was never compacted into a single point and did not spring forth in a violent instant. Instead, the universe as we know it is a small cross section of a much grander universe whose true magnitude is hidden in dimensions we cannot perceive. What we think of as the Big Bang, they contend, was the result of a collision between our three-dimensional world and another three-dimensional world less than the width of a proton away from ours—right next to us, and yet displaced in a way that renders it invisible. Moreover, they say the Big Bang is just the latest in a cycle of cosmic collisions stretching infinitely into the past and into the future. Each collision creates the universe anew. The 13.7-billion-year history of our cosmos is just a moment in this endless expanse of time. __________________ "We're so engaged in doing things to achieve purposes of outer value that we forget that the inner value, the rapture that is associated with being alive, is what it's all about." --Joseph Campbell,

11-20-06, 01:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
Xodiac Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Arlington Posts: 2,290	Hah cool, I was expecting to click on this and read some BS argument about creationism. Last edited by Xodiac; 11-20-06 at 05:36 PM.

11-20-06, 02:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
Hey Bubu Funky Spunk Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: take a left at the cow Posts: 17,124	__________________ "We're so engaged in doing things to achieve purposes of outer value that we forget that the inner value, the rapture that is associated with being alive, is what it's all about." --Joseph Campbell,

11-21-06, 10:17 AM	#12 (permalink)
Hey Bubu Funky Spunk Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: take a left at the cow Posts: 17,124	All we can do is speculate and try to comprehend what is going on with what little we see and understand at this point in time. I do agree with the notion that some gaseous vertebrate is out there to get me and make my life hell if I don't believe in it, is rather silly. __________________ "We're so engaged in doing things to achieve purposes of outer value that we forget that the inner value, the rapture that is associated with being alive, is what it's all about." --Joseph Campbell,

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