Venezuela’s Presidential Elections: Will the Opposition Accept the Results?

[I AM EL-NINO]

Originally Posted by Nyteshade

That's just another example of the failed neo-liberal model or something. The US is interfering. I won't show any proof to back up my claims beyond www.google.com

Or wikipedia. Dont forget that.lolllzzz

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by molecule

lets not forget it was a failed coup attempt in 1992 that gained Chavez his popularity amongst the poor. Chavez tried first to take power by military force.

need we forget 1776?

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by I AM EL-NINO

Then why would the Chronicle lie about it huh?
I think your gettin thngs mixed up.
I didnt read your link either.
Wouldnt waste my time on it.
Die Chavez Die.

didn't say the chronicle lied about it.
just saying media has its influences whether left or right

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by I AM EL-NINO

Or wikipedia. Dont forget that.lolllzzz

well wikipedia can be edited by millions of people across the globe
which has its ups and downs.

regardless it is a quick info source to get some basic info.
something you lack, a basic knowledge of venezuela and its past history

[molecule]

Chavez's "Oil For Missles" Deal with North Korea, and his plans for an "asymmetrical war" with the US...


http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBu...20060626c.html





Venezuela, already an ally of Cuba and Iran, is now making overtures to also align itself with North Korean leader Kim Jong Il.

Monday, in Caracas, a spokesman for the Hugo Chavez government sent a signal of support to North Korea's capital Pyongyang, and re-affirmed the ideological similarities of the two regimes.

Education minister Hector Navarro, while attempting to open the country's leading university, Universidad Central de Venezuela, declared that he and the Bolivarian government stood firm in their principles, and that those principles would not change. He then extended a salute of "solidarity" to "friendly nations", naming, specifically, Algeria, Cuba, Iran, and North Korea.

Students and teachers of the university have joined in refusing to follow Hugo Chavez down the Cuban path to ruin, and are striking to force the government to hold early elections.

The naming of Cuba comes as no surprise. Chavez is the Cuban leader's life support. Iran and Algeria can also be explained: Last week, Algeria sent oil workers in an attempt to restart Venezuela's oil industry, and Sunday a government delegation from Iran arrived in Caracas, also to help break up the strike, now in its sixth week.

But why single out North Korea? For that, we must look at the background of Hector Navarro and other members of the Chavez inner circle. Before taking power, Navarro hailed North Korea as a model to follow, and in a document co-authored with former Chavez industry and commerce minister Jesús Montilla and former Chavez central planning minister Jorge Giordini, he wrote:

"Socialism survives [...] in North Korea which, although isolated and alone, has achieved a strong economy."1

While this opinion may be shared by other graying leftists who have hitched their star to Hugo Chavez's Marxist experiment -- having previously bet the farm on socialist dreamlands like Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, Cambodia and El Salvador -- more clear-headed analysts plainly disagree.

North Korea is one of the world's most centrally planned and isolated economies, and faces desperate economic conditions. Far from having "achieved a strong economy", industrial capital stock is nearly beyond repair as a result of years of underinvestment and spare parts shortages. Industrial and power output have declined in parallel. In North Korea, large groups of the population survive by eating grass and bark off the trees.

This, however, does not affect Navarro, nor his boss Hugo Chavez, who in a recorded message took to the airwaves late Sunday and again Monday at noon, repeatedly reminding Venezuelans that "We have burned our boats. There is no turning back. We will carry on consolidating and deepening this Revolution,"2 and promising the country's 24 million citizens to take their country a few hundred decades back in time: "If we have to cook with firewood for 2 years, we will. Or for 20 years, if we have to."3

The belief that a pure revolution can only be born once all remnants of the previous society has been destroyed is a popular theory among followers of Pol Pot's illfated Cambodia and of Mao's Cultural Revolution. And, according to Chavez-watcher Richard Gott, several of the president's closest advisers were once associated with a Chinese-oriented split from the Venezuelan Communist Party, and Chavez himself has declared that "I have always been a maoist".4

In Caracas today, with a government spokesman who is holding up North Korea as a model to follow, it is no wonder that millions of ordinary Venezuelans have taken to the streets demanding free and democratic elections.

A nuclear weapons power, the one-man dictatorship of North Korea is clearly a danger to Asia. In South America, another strongman, Hugo Chavez, is also bent on going nuclear. This was one of the plans discussed in late December 2002 with Marco Aurelio Garcia, a known terrorism sponsor who visited Chavez personally in Caracas. But if Garcia can not bring the bomb, maybe Pyongyang can.

" - It is too early to determine with certainty what the nuclear weapons plans of Hugo Chavez are", says Brigadier General Nestor Gonzalez Gonzalez, a former Chavez-loyalist who broke with the president when his totalitarian ambitions became clear, and who is today one of the leaders in Venezuela's military resistance movement, Militares Democraticos.

" - But Monday's re-affirmation of support for North Korea is a troubling sign," warns Gonzalez. "I personally know Chavez very well, and he is capable of anything."


Bio-weapons lab in Venezuela for Saddam and Castro - 2002
http://www.militaresdemocraticos.com...021219-04.html




Common Sense Opinions in Caracas
http://caracaschronicles.blogspot.co...hronicles.html

In the wake of worldwide condemnation for North Korea's missile tests, Chávez's timing for a Pyongyang getaway is looking especially ill-judged. North Korea's move, which is being interpreted as a slap in the face even for its only ally, China, has placed the hermit totalitarian prison-state even farther beyond the pale than it already was.

Hell, even Argentina was horrified.

Right on cue, in step the chavistas to stick up for Pyongyang's right to develop missile technology - while, moronically, asserting that the government doesn't have an official position yet. Hm.




back to making techno...

[PETA]

Originally Posted by joe mac

need we forget 1776?

we best not

however, if we are to compare... I don't recall anything about the US gov't imprisoning journalists for criticising the gov't though... but I do recall (just by way of example)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.




Chavez and freedom of expression - http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/03/24/venezu10368.htm

[I AM EL-NINO]

Originally Posted by joe mac

need we forget 1776?

whatever Joe Quack

[I AM EL-NINO]

Originally Posted by joe mac

well wikipedia can be edited by millions of people across the globe
which has its ups and downs.

regardless it is a quick info source to get some basic info.
something you lack, a basic knowledge of venezuela and its past history

I dont WANT to know about that third world country. I got enough to worry about here with all the threats from people like you and alot of the rest of the third world including the middle east.

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by I AM EL-NINO

I dont WANT to know about that third world country. I got enough to worry about here with all the threats from people like you and alot of the rest of the third world including the middle east.

i already know that, your bigotry shows it

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by xian

we best not

however, if we are to compare... I don't recall anything about the US gov't imprisoning journalists for criticising the gov't though... but I do recall (just by way of example)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.




Chavez and freedom of expression - http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/03/24/venezu10368.htm

last i checked the venezuelan government didn't do a witch hunt against the U.S. or those that backed the coup.

have you ever been to venezuela?

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by molecule

lets not forget it was a failed coup attempt in 1992 that gained Chavez his popularity amongst the poor. Chavez tried first to take power by military force.

so what...?
what is your point...?

do you even know the history of why they failed let alone, why they attempted a coup?

ever been to venezuela?

[I AM EL-NINO]

Originally Posted by joe mac

i already know that, your bigotry shows it

Ya Im a real bigot. A bigot against enemies of my country and our way of life expecially when its threatened by idiots like you and your kind. You think you know the US? YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT US. YOU DONT KNOW THE REAL US PEOPLE. THEY HAVNT YET BEEN CALLED TO ACTION. OH BUT YOU WILL, YOU WILL! TELL YOUR FRIENDS TO KEEP FUCKING AROUND WITH US AMERICANS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THERE WILL BE AN UPRISING LIKE YOU WONT BELIEVE. KEEP IT UP, JUST KEEP IT UP. THERE WONT BE ANY DAMN VENEZUELA TO GO TO UNLESS WE OWN IT WITH OUR NEO-LIBERAL POLICIES! FUCKING DOUCH. IM SO TIRED OF THIS SHIT YOU SPEW.

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by I AM EL-NINO

Ya Im a real bigot. A bigot against enemies of my country and our way of life expecially when its threatened by idiots like you and your kind. You think you know the US? YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT US. YOU DONT KNOW THE REAL US PEOPLE. THEY HAVNT YET BEEN CALLED TO ACTION. OH BUT YOU WILL, YOU WILL! TELL YOUR FRIENDS TO KEEP FUCKING AROUND WITH US AMERICANS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THERE WILL BE AN UPRISING LIKE YOU WONT BELIEVE. KEEP IT UP, JUST KEEP IT UP. THERE WONT BE ANY DAMN VENEZUELA TO GO TO UNLESS WE OWN IT WITH OUR NEO-LIBERAL POLICIES! FUCKING DOUCH. IM SO TIRED OF THIS SHIT YOU SPEW.

haha, ok there buddy calm down.

wake up buddy, the uni-polar world of U.S. imperialism is over.
haha

[I AM EL-NINO]

whatever punk. Keep it up.

[molecule]

Originally Posted by joe mac

last i checked the venezuelan government didn't do a witch hunt against the U.S. or those that backed the coup.

Chavez is on a constant witch hunt against the US. He is delusionary about an impending invasion by the US, and he's training his civilians in Guerilla warfare. Thats some real responsible leadership there. The guy is a total lunatic.

Proof here: (something you can never provide for your opinions)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4777972.stm

"Here we have a hidden underground tunnel system like the Vietcong used in Vietnam against the American aggressors," he said, pointing to the entrance of a dark hole in the ground.


Anything will do, as long as it harms the enemy
Rear Admiral Luis Cabrera Aguirre

"This is the kind of tunnel that we're now teaching civilians to build."

Lt Col Benavides lined up a small group of civilian reservists to make a point about the art of surprise in guerrilla warfare.

"On the surface they look like ordinary people on the street. But if you look underneath their jackets, you will see they are hiding knifes, catapults and pistols," he told his audience.

"We're not expecting to arm all our reservists with guns. We do want them to make their own home-made weapons. Anything will do, as long as it harms the enemy," said retired Rear Admiral Luis Cabrera Aguirre, who is overseeing the training given to civilian volunteers.

Originally Posted by joe mac

so what...?
what is your point...?

my point was a counter point to your mention of an attempted coup against Chavez. Chavez is no saint.

Originally Posted by joe mac

have you ever been to venezuela?

I've been all over latin America, and have stayed out of Venezuela for good reason.

Originally Posted by joe mac

do you even know the history of why they failed let alone, why they attempted a coup?

yes, not because of any of your worthless posts however.

Joe Mac, the millions of poor indigenous people in Latin America are not the fault of the US, but because of their own corrupt leaders. Chavez is just one more corrupt leader.

Can you debate ANY of the posts I've made with backing evidence?
Did you even read them?
You got ONE Venezuelan chavista propaganda website you keep posting, and nothing else but worthless, patheticly shallow replies calling people biggots and trying to discredit peoples posts if they have not been to Venezuela. Your stuck in a whole on this board, being shown as an idiot.

In my earlier post I quoted where Chavez hails NORTH KOREA as a shining example of a sucessful socialist regime. Good day, and Good luck.