Washington D.C. Argues That The 2nd Amendment Doesn't Apply to Individuals

[PETA]

Originally Posted by joe mac

well there is a difference between people demanding a dependance and the government creating that dependance, whether it is their own citizens or other countries.

indeed - and by obligating itself through the demands of the citizenry to provide things such as health care the government creates dependency

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by xian

indeed - and by obligating itself through the demands of the citizenry to provide things such as health care the government creates dependency

the state should provide healthcare, atleast basic healthcare.

one could also say that oil is a basic human right in some countries.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by joe mac

the state should provide healthcare, atleast basic healthcare.

which it does - you cannot be denied healthcare based on ability to pay at publically funded hospitals

Originally Posted by joe mac

one could also say that oil is a basic human right in some countries.

one could but that person would be an idiot

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by xian

which it does - you cannot be denied healthcare based on ability to pay at publically funded hospitals

one could but that person would be an idiot

actually i was refering to , that i think all hospitals should be universal.

actually some states have said that oil is a basic human right.

one could say that sales tax is glass cieling, keeping the poor poorer.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by joe mac

actually i was refering to , that i think all hospitals should be universal.

Which is a great method of sending healthcare to the top of mediocrity. We have health care available to all citizens currently.

Originally Posted by joe mac

actually some states have said that oil is a basic human right.

Oil is a natural resource. Freedom of conscience is a basic human right.

Originally Posted by joe mac

one could say that sales tax is glass cieling, keeping the poor poorer.

one could but not everything is subject to sales tax - a better example might be the lottery - but you'll get no disagreement from me that our tax structure is fucked up

[joe mac]

Originally Posted by xian

Which is a great method of sending healthcare to the top of mediocrity. We have health care available to all citizens currently.

no we do not, 1 in 5 people do not have healthcare.

[BigBallinColin]

Originally Posted by joe mac

no we do not, 1 in 5 people do not have healthcare.

do not have insurance. which is diffrent.

[Adam D]

Originally Posted by xian

indeed - and by obligating itself through the demands of the citizenry to provide things such as health care the government creates dependency

It doesn't create dependency on the government any more than it creates dependency on private organizations. Government is little more than a service institution that people pay into to obtain certain services (road construction/maintenance, defense, etc.). If the citizenry wants to pay for universal health care, then people should get what they pay for.

[kalamu]

government is like quicksand

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Adam D

It doesn't create dependency on the government any more than it creates dependency on private organizations.

Lets presume that to be true. We can still distinguish between gov't and private institutions... greatly. One we have no obligation to give our money to and the other we have no right to withhold our money from... amongst the myriad of other points of departure

Originally Posted by Adam D

Government is little more than a service institution that people pay into to obtain certain services (road construction/maintenance, defense, etc.). If the citizenry wants to pay for universal health care, then people should get what they pay for.

I agree that if the people want it and vote for legislators who support it - then they should get it. I disagree that they should want it or that legislators should support it.

[kalamu]

Originally Posted by xian

I agree that if the people want it and vote for legislators who support it - then they should get it. I disagree that they should want it or that legislators should support it.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by kalamu

woul dyou have preferred "democracy demands that majority rule even when the majority is wrong"?

how about...

"just because they want it doen't mean it is good for them"?


how about

"stupidity shouldn't be institutionalized even if it is the popular choice"

[kalamu]

lol

i understood what you said, it just sounds like something i'd say but i couldn't help but think how you'd argue with me about it.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by kalamu

lol

i understood what you said, it just sounds like something i'd say but i couldn't help but think how you'd argue with me about it.

wasn't arguing - merely providing alternative language to say the same thing

[kalamu]

i know you weren't arguing, because i didn't say anything. but if i HAD said something then you'd find some way to argue with it.. even if you agreed with it. that's just what you do.