Islam is taking over, says Dutch politician

[I AM EL-NINO]

By Bruno Waterfield in The Hague
Last Updated: 2:29am GMT 01/03/2007



An anti-immigrant politician is making a meteoric rise with his call on the Dutch - once one of the most tolerant nations in the world - to stop Islam taking over Europe.


Geert Wilders: 'The Prophet Mohammed was a violent man'
Geert Wilders, the 43-year-old leader of the Freedom Party, is convinced that governments are being forced to accommodate a 'tsunami of Islamisation' that is fundamentally incompatible with European social values.

"Islam itself is the problem. Islam is a violent religion," he told The Daily Telegraph. "The Prophet Mohammed was a violent man. The Koran is mostly a violent book. We should invest in Muslim people but they have to first get rid of half the Koran and half of their beliefs," he said.

The Freedom Party has jumped from six to 10 per cent in opinion polls since November. His passionate campaign for a ban on the Islamic veil, or burqa, in public places is gaining such momentum that the country's new coalition government could be forced to introduce the ban it does not support.

On the burqa, Mr Wilders is adamant: "It is a medieval token of a barbaric time, of how not to treat women, even if they want to wear it themselves," he argues.

advertisementAllowing Muslims to wear the burqa in the Netherlands, or to have segregated swimming sessions so as not to offend religious sensitivities, amounts to "religious apartheid" he says.

The new government coalition of mainstream centre right and left political parties had planned to ditch a decision by the previous government to ban the burqa in the Netherlands which now has a population of one million Muslims, six per cent of the total population. But, Mr Wilders crows, weekend opinion polls show 66 per cent of Dutch citizens support a ban.

The minority opposition leader who has won two previous votes for a ban on the burqa is convinced that support will be there for new legislation he will table in the spring as the Dutch become increasingly concerned over Muslim separatism.

Wilders is convinced there is growing support for his views across Europe but its political leaders, particularly in Britain, are too obsessed with being politically correct.

"There is almost no country more politically correct than the UK. Look at the terrible things that happened in London after Madrid, you have more reason than most to make this debate transparent and public," he said.

Mr Wilders split from the Dutch liberals in September 2004 over their support for EU membership for Turkey.

Two months later he was living in fear after police arrested suspected terrorists, armed with grenades, accused of planning to kill him. The Dutch politician says he and his wife have received more than 600 death threats.

Mr Wilders, who is always surrounded by plain clothes police guards, said: "I lost my freedom and privacy because of my opposition to Islam."

[Ash]

everybody panic.

[Funkenstein]

Well at this rate i can't wait to start reading this site when it turns into www.jihadhiphop.com.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Ash

everybody panic.

indeed, those silly rambunctious Musilims and their knives in Van Gogh's throat and their riots in Denmark and planes in NYC and Khobar and and and and they'll recognize pretty soon that the Euro nanny state really knows what's best for them and they'll settle down after a time out or two

A culture that emmigrates in large numbers to a foreign state, refuses to assimilate, kills people for cartoons and movies and claims the status of victim is worth taking note of and getting pissed off about

[umalak_]

Originally Posted by I AM EL-NINO

"Islam itself is the problem. Islam is a violent religion," he told The Daily Telegraph. "The Prophet Mohammed was a violent man. The Koran is mostly a violent book. We should invest in Muslim people but they have to first get rid of half the Koran and half of their beliefs," he said.

i think that right there is all you need in order to disqualify anything this man says. he doesn't seem to have a full knowledge of what he is speaking about. not that i do, mind you, but i don't think his statement is true.

[9---]

There are extremists in any religion.

One out of every five persons on this earth is a Muslim. It is a faith based on submission to one god. It is a way of life not just a belief. I wish more people would open there minds to other cultures instead of just taking a short cut to thinking and saying they are violent and terrorists.

[9---]

Originally Posted by I AM EL-NINO

An anti-immigrant politician

those are the key words right there.

[Ender]

I think muslims in general are weird, and very 300 b.c. for the most part.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by FreeForAll

There are extremists in any religion.



One out of every five persons on this earth is a Muslim. It is a faith based on submission to one god. It is a way of life not just a belief. I wish more people would open there minds to other cultures instead of just taking a short cut to thinking and saying they are violent and terrorists.

Only Muslims flew planes into the WTC and Pentagon on the name of Allah. Only Muslims rioted and killed people because of a few stupid cartoons in a Danish newspaper. Kidnapped and beheaded journalists in Iraq... etc. The notion that extremists are extremists be they Muslims or Buddhists denies what those extremists do. Muslim extremists kill more people in more places more often in the name of Allah than any other faith kills in the name of their religion.

As for opening one's mind. Perhaps the Muslims in Denmark and The Netherlands etc should open their minds to the notion that diversity of opinion and tolerance of those who disagree is a virtue and that stabbing Theo Van Gogh in the neck is not.

Certainly not all Muslims are violent killers - but enough are in their name of their religion to cause a lot of problems. It is not a "short cut" opinion of Europeans that forces the riots and murders in the name of Allah.

[umalak_]

Originally Posted by xian

Muslim extremists kill more people in more places more often in the name of Allah than any other faith kills in the name of their religion.

maybe in the last decade, but what about in all of history?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by umalak_

maybe in the last decade, but what about in all of history?

The last decade? How about decades. And, if you want to find the most prolifically murderous ideology ever then you're looking at the results of communism and nazism in the 20th century.

However, we are dealing with today - not last century for communism nor 500 years ago with Christianity.

I'm certain you don't mean to suggest that because the wars of Reformation and the Inquisition resulted in millions of destroyed lives we should give Islam a pass and let them have their whack at the mole today but it sure seems a logical result of your comment.

[umalak_]

you know me, i'd love to blame religion for all the world's faults but i just think it's narrow-minded to blame all the violence that has erupted for the past few decades solely on the religion of Islam and not on other factors like location or on religion in general.

or maybe i just don't like the fact that a christian is calling another religion violent.

no one should adhere to any set of rules or beliefs to the point where they are willing to kill for them.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by umalak_

you know me, i'd love to blame religion for all the world's faults but i just think it's narrow-minded to blame all the violence that has erupted for the past few decades solely on the religion of Islam and not on other factors like location or on religion in general.

I don't blame all violence on Islam - just violence perpetrated by Muslims in the name of their faith. I don't blame other faiths for this because we don't have a problem Christians committing honor kilings or strapping bombs to their kids or rioting because of a cartoon mocking Jesus.

Originally Posted by umalak_

or maybe i just don't like the fact that a christian is calling another religion violent.

I'm not calling Islam violent. I'm calling violent Muslims violent. Denying that they are a readily identifiable group is burrying one's head in the sand.

Originally Posted by umalak_

no one should adhere to any set of rules or beliefs to the point where they are willing to kill for them.

I understand where you're going with that but I'd offer that there are things worth believing in that are worth dying or killing for. I just don't think cartoons are one of them.

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by umalak_

i think that right there is all you need in order to disqualify anything this man says.

I thought Muhammad was basically a warlord, which would make him a violent person to me...

Am I wrong?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by MicahB

I thought Muhammad was basically a warlord, which would make him a violent person to me...

Am I wrong?

He was a military leader that's for sure

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_as_a_general