Flight 93 and 9-11: What Happened to the plane?

[alvin]

What happened to the plane wreckage of Flight 93 at Shanksville???

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/ua93/photo.shtml

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/gallery.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-huhJgb_Yc

Take your pick from any of these plane crash sites and tell me how the photos of Flight 93 don't add up...

http://www.1001crash.com/cim.php?acc=garud_b737&lg=2

http://www.1001crash.com/cim.php?acc=GOL_B737_1&lg=2

http://www.1001crash.com/cim.php?acc=ADC_B737&lg=2

http://www.1001crash.com/cim.php?acc=Soso_DC9&lg=2

http://www.1001crash.com/cim.php?acc=Westcar_MD82&lg=2

http://www.1001crash.com/cim.php?acc=UMA_yak42&lg=2

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/

[BrandonWhat]

What happened to Idris??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111 1111////////////

[PETA]

Originally Posted by alvin

What happened to the plane wreckage of Flight 93 at Shanksville???

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/ua93/photo.shtml

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/gallery.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-huhJgb_Yc

Take your pick from any of these plane crash sites and tell me how the photos of Flight 93 don't add up...

http://www.1001crash.com/cim.php?acc=garud_b737&lg=2

http://www.1001crash.com/cim.php?acc=GOL_B737_1&lg=2

http://www.1001crash.com/cim.php?acc=ADC_B737&lg=2

http://www.1001crash.com/cim.php?acc=Soso_DC9&lg=2

http://www.1001crash.com/cim.php?acc=Westcar_MD82&lg=2

http://www.1001crash.com/cim.php?acc=UMA_yak42&lg=2

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/

it's in my fucking garage goddammit

[alvin]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/22/911....93/index.html

The passenger revolt began at 9:57 a.m., nearly 30 minutes after the four terrorists aboard launched their takeover of the Boeing 757 loaded with more than 11,000 gallons of jet fuel.

All that jet fuel and not too much in the way of fiery crash site at Shanksville. Where's the smoke? Where's the fire? Wouldn't jet fuel burn the surrounding area? It was a Boeing 757 loaded with over 11,000 gallons of fuel and the damage at the crash site is minimal to say the least. And also the "official story" is that the plane "disintergrated" on impact and that's why there is little if any debris at the crash site...but the photos posted show that PAPER photos and ID's along with a CLOTH BANDANNA survived the impact while steel "disintergrated"...

If the plane nose dived into the ground per the "official story" wouldn't the site be more catastrophic than the recent Indonesian plane crash were the plane slid off the runway and burst into flames???

Indonesian plane crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bamk2...elated&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx8GYRXdCaU

[alvin]

Originally Posted by BrandonWhat

What happened to Idris??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111 1111////////////

He was at Zubar last night.

[alvin]

http://kdka.com/911/local_story_253090222.html

King was on the first fire truck to leave Shanksville and the first to arrive at the scene.

“I get up there and I look around and it was like - it was like where's the plane ,” King said. “I mean there was just like small pieces that you could pick up and put in the palm of your hand just scattered everywhere.[/I]”

The fire fighters were rescuers with no one to rescue

[alvin]

Eyewitness testimony

http://www.post-gazette.com/headline...cenenat4p3.asp

The plane came down on farmland reclaimed from a coal-mining operation. Barron and Phillips drove to the crash scene and found a smoky hole in the ground. A few firefighters had already begun pouring water onto the debris.

"It didn't look like a plane crash because there was nothing that looked like a plane," Barron said.

"There was one part of a seat burning up there," Phillips said. "That was something you could recognize."

"I never seen anything like it," Barron said. "Just like a big pile of charcoal."

"

My instinct was to run toward it, to try to help" said Nina Lensbouer, Tim's Lensbouer's wife and a former volunteer firefighter. "But I got there and there was nothing, nothing there but charcoal. Instantly, it was charcoal."

The biggest pieces you could find were probably four feet [long]. Most of the pieces you could put into a shopping bag, and there were clothes hanging from the trees."

The apparent point of impact was a dark gash, not more than 30 feet wide, at the base of a gentle slope just before a line of trees.

There were few recognizable remnants of the plane or the passengers and crew. The trees beyond were still faintly smoldering but largely intact.

"If you would go down there, it would look like a trash heap," said state police Capt. Frank Monaco. "There's nothing but tiny pieces of debris. It's just littered with small pieces."

[alvin]

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt...b/s_12940.html

Two Somerset County men rushed to the scene of Tuesday’s plane crash hoping to help with the rescue effort. They found a scene of devastation.
“You couldn’t see nothing,” said Nick Tweardy, 20, of Stonycreek Township. “We couldn’t tell what we were looking at. There’s just a huge crater in the woods.”

These next three quotes contradict each other

The tail was a short distance from the rest of the wreckage,” said would-be rescuer Brad Reiman, 19, who lives near Berlin in Somerset County. “It looked like the plane hit once and flopped down into the woods.”

There was no way anything was left,” Pluta added. “There was just charred pieces of metal and a big hole. The plane didn’t slide into the crash. It went straight into the ground. Wings out. Nose down

Once it hit, everything just disintegrated,” he said. “There are just shreds of metal. The longest piece I saw was 2 feet long

All that is left is small pieces of the airplane.

[alvin]

http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/emerg...es/091201f.htm

The crater at the "crash" site wasn't even 45ft. deep, it was DUG down to that depth as part of the excavation looking for evidence.

9/16/2001 - Somerset Crash Site- FBI and other investigators at the scene have excavated the crash site down to a depth of about 45 feet looking for clues. Digging a trench that deep requires special care to avoid cave-ins and constant monitoring to ensure any fumes from soil contaminated with jet fuel and hydraulic fluid do not present a hazard to emergency workers.

Even the "officials" find it hard to believe the "official story".

9/12/2001 - Somerset Crash Site - Looking at the crash site itself is a sobering experience. It is difficult to believe that a large Boeing 757 aircraft plunged into the ground with such force that the plane literally disintegrated and created a still smoldering crater. People looking down over the hill at the site became very quiet, almost reverent, at the sight of so much destructive force on Wednesday.

[djetaine]

Originally Posted by alvin

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt...b/s_12940.html




These next three quotes contradict each other

Those are also from three different people, of course they arent the same. Two were from residents (one that saw the plane come down) and one was from a trooper on the scene afterward.
So you think the govt paid off a little old lady to say she saw a plane when she didnt?

[umalak_]

hey Alvin, maybe you could sum up the point you're trying to make in a paragraph (a SHORT one) instead of posting a bunch of links and copied text that way we can get the jist of what you're saying without spending our entire afternoon reading links.

[alvin]

Remember the fairy-tale "The Emperors New Clothes"

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Empe...ew-Clothes.htm

Now one fine day two swindlers, calling themselves weavers, arrived. They declared that they could make the most magnificent cloth that one could imagine; cloth of most beautiful colours and elaborate patterns. Not only was the material so beautiful, but the clothes made from it had the special power of being invisible to everyone who was stupid or not fit. for his post.

"What a splendid idea," thought the Emperor. "What useful clothes to have. If I had such a suit of clothes I could know at once which of my people is stupid or unfit for his post."

So the faithful old minister went into the hall where the two weavers sat beside the empty looms pretending to work with all their might.

The Emperor's minister opened his eyes wide. "Upon my life!" he thought. "I see nothing at all, nothing." But he did not say so.

The two swindlers begged him to come nearer and asked him how he liked it.

"Are not the colors exquisite, and see how intricate are the patterns," they said.

The poor old minister stared and stared. Still he could see nothing, for there was nothing.

But he did not dare to say he saw nothing. "Nobody must find out,"' thought he. "I must never confess that I could not see the stuff."

"Well," said one of the rascals. "You do not say whether it pleases you."

There was great excitement in the palace and the Emperor's clothes were the talk of the town.

At last the weavers declared that the clothes were ready. Then the Emperor, with the most distinguished gentlemen of the court, came to the weavers.

Each of the swindlers lifted up an arm as if he were holding something. "Here are Your Majesty's trousers," said one. "This is Your Majesty's mantle," said the other. "The whole suit is as light as a spider's web. Why, you might almost feel as if you had nothing on, but that is just the beauty of it."

"Magnificent," cried the ministers, but they could see nothing at all. Indeed there was nothing to be seen.

And so the Emperor set off under the high canopy, at the head of the great procession- .It was a great success.

All the people standing by and at the windows cheered and cried, "Oh, how splendid are the Emperor's new clothes. What a magnificent train! How well the clothes fit!"

No one dared to admit that he couldn't see anything, for who would want it to be known that he was either stupid or unfit for his post?

None of the Emperor's clothes had ever met with such success.

[umalak_]

Originally Posted by f.i.g.u.r.e

Its a conspiracy theory about how maybe the 9-11 attacks were carried out by or under the awareness of the US Govt to give us reason to go to war!!

so kind of like in season 2 of 24?

i still say we should just let Jack Bauer talk to Alvin and he can straighten this whole thing out.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by umalak_

hey Alvin, maybe you could sum up the point you're trying to make in a paragraph (a SHORT one) instead of posting a bunch of links and copied text that way we can get the jist of what you're saying without spending our entire afternoon reading links.

yeah - see - don't make me agree with you again anytime soon

[umalak_]

Originally Posted by xian

yeah - see - don't make me agree with you again anytime soon

it's okay. i just made a thread about rehab in prisons so you can go disagree with me there.

i would just like to see what Alvin is thinking about without spending hours reading links, that's all.