Federally backed genocide?

[reason]

14.16 births/1,000 population (2007 est.)
- CIA


https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/us.html

4.0945 abortions per 1,000 people (2007 est.)
- nation master


http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/he...ons-per-capita



so the argument will problably end up being that abortion will happen wether it is legal or not.... in fact there are some statistics that support this idea.... but is it really right for us to put our United States Seal on it?

[Dionysos]

Well there's an unbiased thread title.

[reason]

federal
"pertaining to or of the nature of a union of states under a central government distinct from the individual governments of the separate states: the federal government of the U.S."

backed
"To provide with financial or moral support; support or endorse:"

genocide
Article 2 of the CPPCG defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group;......."

[Dionysos]

Thank you Alvin, you still didn't disprove that the headline is biased. Just because you put a question mark at the end doesn't make it 'fair & balanced'.

Here's an example:
"Reason drinks puppy blood to get an erection?"

Is that a fair title?

[reason]

hahahahaha

i didnt see you at last year's emo party! how did you know about that!?!?

yea man... i agree that my intent is biased... but honestly, i feel that the title is pretty accurate

[Dionysos]

Which one, the genocide or the puppy blood?

[MC Twinkie]

I'm still unclear about what "group" you are saying genocide is happening to. To me genocide is, taking a population down to 10% or less.

14.16 births/1,000 population (per year i think). The population is growing. Because people live more than 1 year. If the average life expectancy was 78, then 14.16*78=1104. So I think that is actually a 1.3% growth.
Or you can look at it this way 8.26 deaths/1,000 population. 14.16>8.26

Also, I think I saw on the news that russia's population is in decline, so they are paying people to have babies. To bad there isn't a land bridge in alaska anymore,

[double a]

well my question is... is it less moral to have abortion legal and kill babies before they are able to survive outside the womb. or to have it illegal and have countless women die horrible painful deaths from misuse of a coathanger?

why did i wander into this thread?

[MC Twinkie]

Ohhhh! This thread is about abortion. I feel as dumb as I look.

Yeah i think your title is gay. The gov. doesn't back it, the government gives you an option to make choices. Even God himself gave man free agency. So you can't blame the government, blame god. Remember according the it holy bibble, it was satan that said I will choose for you.

Feel free to call teens that get knocked up and abort it sluts. I don't know where in the bible it says you can't do that.

[reason]

Originally Posted by double a

well my question is... is it less moral to have abortion legal and kill babies before they are able to survive outside the womb. or to have it illegal and have countless women die horrible painful deaths from misuse of a coathanger?

why did i wander into this thread?

i would say that it is less moral to federally support the decicion for the baby to die, then to not support the accidental death of the mother while trying to kill the child

Originally Posted by clay donkey

The gov. doesn't back it, the government gives you an option to make choices.

that statement is a contradiction ... "the government gives you an option" ... that is backing it

Originally Posted by clay donkey

Even God himself gave man free agency...... I don't know where in the bible it says you can't do that.

gosh, i would have to look it up to be sure... but um... i think it says something like "thou shalt not kill"

Originally Posted by clay donkey

you can't blame the government,

i'm not.... in the top of the thread, i say that there is evidence that the abortion rate is similar in countries where it is deemed illegal. My question is, why do we put our United States seal of approval on it


furthermore.... i have not approached this topic from a religeous stand point... for me, this is half science, half American morals

[Dionysos]

Originally Posted by reason

that statement is a contradiction ... "the government gives you an option" ... that is backing it

No, it's not. They are backing your right to choose, not one option over the other. A contradiction would be if they said they were for the procedure but actively pursued disallowing access. The government has been fairly consistent in their backing of the right to choose since Roe v Wade.

For someone named 'reason', your logic skills need work.

[HomoSexualPredator]

Originally Posted by clay donkey

Ohhhh! This thread is about abortion. I feel as dumb as I look.

don't. I couldn't make sense out of the original post either.

[MC Twinkie]

Well Reason, I'm personal competely look at this from a religious stand point, because I say I am.
Step 6 in the scentific method: Though shall not kill?!? You shouldn't kill, great, but god still gives you the free will to do it. The bible is full of death, murder, and war.

Also, remind me never to ride in a car with you. I would hate to see what happens when you have to pick which way to drive somewhere. There are just so many options. It has to be like a nervious breakdown.

I looked at some other countries data too. Like Niger, their birth rate is over 3 times what ours it. That means people are having 3 times more sex. Fucking A! If it wasn't for aids, I would move there.

Edit:

Originally Posted by reason

iMy question is, why do we put our United States seal of approval on it?

Its so girls don't have to do an abortion with a coat hanger in the bathroom of McDonalds. God, I hate when I have to use a bathroom someone just had an abortion in. They can also get help, cause its not an easy thing to go through.

[TheAmazon]

It says something about the state of our current "culture" when you're at a party and hear some bitch going on about how she should have the RIGHT to have as many abortions as she pleased, ie it being birth control, and then going on to make jokes about how useless a life is to hear ...and equating it to a wart that can be removed, that was DISGUISTING to me..it's amazing to see how cheap life is to some people. I understand a female needing it in certain situations etc...but the latest trend in the nanny state is to have everybody delegate responsiblities that used to be exclusively in THEIR realm to the state....if you are having sex everywhere..and don't have enough sense to wrap it up or be on birth control you FAIL as a person.

[TheAmazon]

Originally Posted by clay donkey

Well Reason, I'm personal competely look at this from a religious stand point, because I say I am.
Step 6 in the scentific method: Though shall not kill?!? You shouldn't kill, great, but god still gives you the free will to do it. The bible is full of death, murder, and war.

Also, remind me never to ride in a car with you. I would hate to see what happens when you have to pick which way to drive somewhere. There are just so many options. It has to be like a nervious breakdown.

I looked at some other countries data too. Like Niger, their birth rate is over 3 times what ours it. That means people are having 3 times more sex. Fucking A! If it wasn't for aids, I would move there.

before i jumped and made random assertions, i'd tell you to check the UN'S own statistics on the fertility of the average western male...

and i really don't think it's 3 times the sex, fertility rates, and lack of free and avaliable "birth control" like we have here in the states.

when levels of industrialization go up, birth rates go down.