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umalak_ · 01-18-08, 01:20 PM

January 2, 2008
Press Release

BIDEN Issues Statement on the Administration's Decision to Sell Fighter Planes to Pakistan

Washington, DC – Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Senator Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D-DE) todayissued a statement criticizing the Bush Administration's decision to sell F-16 fighter planes to Pakistan. According to press reports, the Pentagon has awarded a $500 million contract to supply Pakistan with 18 F-16s. The reports do not make clear whether the planes will be paid for by Pakistan, or by U.S. aid, or a combination of both. If any U.S. aid is involved, the sale is illegal. The recently passed Defense Appropriations bill bars any assistance to Pakistan for weapons sales that are not for counter-terrorism purposes. The primary purpose of F-16s is to balance India, not to combat the Taliban or Al Qaeda. If the sale involves no U.S. assistance, it is technically legal but fundamentally misguided. Sen. Biden issued this statement:

“The decision to go ahead with a half-billion dollar sale of advanced fighter aircraft to Pakistan shows how dangerously misguided President Bush's policy is: How can the White House even think of green-lighting such a sale at such an incredibly sensitive time? It sends exactly the wrong message to the Pakistani generals, and to the Pakistani people. This is the time we should be putting the pressure on the government and military to fully investigate the assassination of Benazir Bhutto and to hold free and fair elections – not let them off the hook.

“The day after President Musharraf announced his State of Emergency, I publicly called for a possible suspension of big-ticket military sales like F-16s, and called Musharraf to warn him that his acts would have consequences. Just before Christmas, Congress enacted legislation to prevent the Administration from taking exactly this sort of reckless action. The Administration's decision is just plain wrong and should be reversed, immediately, until Pakistan returns clearly to the democratic path. It is time once and for all to end the Bush Administration's Musharraf policy and replace it with the Pakistan policy I set out two months ago.”

Here's a link to the press release concerning the assassination: http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/det...fm?id=290010&&

reason · 01-18-08, 01:32 PM

its crazy

we really do love to give our enemies great stuff to retaliate back with

PETA · 01-18-08, 01:33 PM

Advanced fighter aircraft? Its old technology.

umalak_ · 01-18-08, 01:34 PM

Well if you look through the press releases you'll see that we are almost constantly in arms deals around the world. There was one today that said Bush wants to sell some Joint Direct Attack Munitions to Saudi Arabia. Of course the Foreign Relations Committee says they are checking it out to make sure it's legit and everything but who knows if they're lying or not.

But this issue with Pakistan is a bit more alarming imo.

umalak_ · 01-18-08, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xian

Advanced fighter aircraft? Its old technology.

they're F-16's I think.

and regardless, old or new it doesn't matter. it's the fact that they're doing it.

PETA · 01-18-08, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umalak_

they're F-16's I think.

and regardless, old or new it doesn't matter. it's the fact that they're doing it.

bullshit... if we sold them sligshots you wouldn't be raising this issue because Biden would never have issued a press release....

Nyteshade · 01-18-08, 01:56 PM

The planes are 30 years old. Who cares? Lockheed Martin hasn't made any for the US in years.

umalak_ · 01-18-08, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xian

bullshit... if we sold them sligshots you wouldn't be raising this issue because Biden would never have issued a press release....

huh? what are you going on about? your example is dumb. Biden is concerned about the sale, as stated in his press release, and that is why i posted it.

PETA · 01-18-08, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umalak_

huh? what are you going on about? your example is dumb. Biden is concerned about the sale, as stated in his press release, and that is why i posted it.

If we sold sling shots Biden wouldn't care.

You however, said the fact the the tech is old doesn't matter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by umalak_

and regardless, old or new it doesn't matter. it's the fact that they're doing it.

and you're wrong... it does matter... very much

umalak_ · 01-18-08, 02:23 PM

Okay fine, it matters... woohoo you win. Now let's get back to the actual point of the story not your stupid argument you are trying to start.

PETA · 01-18-08, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umalak_

Okay fine, it matters... woohoo you win. Now let's get back to the actual point of the story not your stupid argument you are trying to start.

right the point is that Biden's outrage over selling 30 y/o technology is pointless....

umalak_ · 01-18-08, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xian

right the point is that Biden's outrage over selling 30 y/o technology is pointless....

no, that might be your opinion... but that's not the point. if you don't get it then that's okay.. that's just par for the course for you.

PETA · 01-18-08, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umalak_

no, that might be your opinion... but that's not the point. if you don't get it then that's okay.. that's just par for the course for you.

right... because apparenty Biden thinks this is just Musharref's way of getting off the hook from investigating Bhuto's death.... nevermind the fact that Scotland Yard has been called in... Biden could possibly be a bigger fool than even you.

Dionysos · 01-18-08, 03:20 PM

OK, so in xian's world slingshots = F16. Duly noted.

reason · 01-18-08, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dionysos

OK, so in xian's world slingshots = F16. Duly noted.

lol

i disagree xian... if we sold him a slingshot... i would still be frustrated

these cats can get arms from other places.... no matter what the arm.... i dont think we should be contributing

01-18-08, 01:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
umalak_ Spurs > Mavs Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 9,361	Bush Administration is selling fighter planes to Pakistan January 2, 2008 Press Release BIDEN Issues Statement on the Administration's Decision to Sell Fighter Planes to Pakistan Washington, DC – Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Senator Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D-DE) todayissued a statement criticizing the Bush Administration's decision to sell F-16 fighter planes to Pakistan. According to press reports, the Pentagon has awarded a $500 million contract to supply Pakistan with 18 F-16s. The reports do not make clear whether the planes will be paid for by Pakistan, or by U.S. aid, or a combination of both. If any U.S. aid is involved, the sale is illegal. The recently passed Defense Appropriations bill bars any assistance to Pakistan for weapons sales that are not for counter-terrorism purposes. The primary purpose of F-16s is to balance India, not to combat the Taliban or Al Qaeda. If the sale involves no U.S. assistance, it is technically legal but fundamentally misguided. Sen. Biden issued this statement: “The decision to go ahead with a half-billion dollar sale of advanced fighter aircraft to Pakistan shows how dangerously misguided President Bush's policy is: How can the White House even think of green-lighting such a sale at such an incredibly sensitive time? It sends exactly the wrong message to the Pakistani generals, and to the Pakistani people. This is the time we should be putting the pressure on the government and military to fully investigate the assassination of Benazir Bhutto and to hold free and fair elections – not let them off the hook. “The day after President Musharraf announced his State of Emergency, I publicly called for a possible suspension of big-ticket military sales like F-16s, and called Musharraf to warn him that his acts would have consequences. Just before Christmas, Congress enacted legislation to prevent the Administration from taking exactly this sort of reckless action. The Administration's decision is just plain wrong and should be reversed, immediately, until Pakistan returns clearly to the democratic path. It is time once and for all to end the Bush Administration's Musharraf policy and replace it with the Pakistan policy I set out two months ago.” Here's a link to the press release concerning the assassination: http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/det...fm?id=290010&& __________________ "The fiend in his own shape is less hideous than when he rages in the breast of man." - Hawthorne (Young Goodman Brown) "Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it." - Thoreau (Resistance To Civil Government) "If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears the beat of a different drummer." - Thoreau (Walden)

01-18-08, 01:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
reason Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the mother ship Posts: 366	lol...... its crazy we really do love to give our enemies great stuff to retaliate back with

01-18-08, 01:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
umalak_ Spurs > Mavs Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 9,361	Well if you look through the press releases you'll see that we are almost constantly in arms deals around the world. There was one today that said Bush wants to sell some Joint Direct Attack Munitions to Saudi Arabia. Of course the Foreign Relations Committee says they are checking it out to make sure it's legit and everything but who knows if they're lying or not. But this issue with Pakistan is a bit more alarming imo. __________________ "The fiend in his own shape is less hideous than when he rages in the breast of man." - Hawthorne (Young Goodman Brown) "Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it." - Thoreau (Resistance To Civil Government) "If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears the beat of a different drummer." - Thoreau (Walden)

01-18-08, 02:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
umalak_ Spurs > Mavs Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 9,361	Okay fine, it matters... woohoo you win. Now let's get back to the actual point of the story not your stupid argument you are trying to start. __________________ "The fiend in his own shape is less hideous than when he rages in the breast of man." - Hawthorne (Young Goodman Brown) "Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it." - Thoreau (Resistance To Civil Government) "If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears the beat of a different drummer." - Thoreau (Walden)

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