Abortion

[reason]

Originally Posted by clay donkey

They don't go in and chop the baby up with a buzz saw. That's just a scare tactic. Religious people not telling the truth, who would have guessed. They give it a calcium injection and then you just miss carry. They might use the salad tongs though.

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are you serious!?!?!?!?

i shouldn't even dignify that comment with a response

since i dont want any other un-educated readers to believe that load of crap...... here are the methods of abortion that do exactly what you say is a "scare tactic":

DILATION AND CURETTAGE (D&C):

This method is similar to the suction method with the added insertion of a loop-shaped knife (curette) which cuts the baby into pieces. These pieces are scraped out through the cervix and discarded.

DILATION AND EVACUATION (D&E):

This method is used up to 18 weeks' gestation. Instead of the curette used in D&C abortions, a pair of forceps is inserted into the womb to grasp part of the fetus.

The teeth of the forceps twist and tear the calcified bones of the unborn child. This process is repeated until the baby is totally dismembered and removed.

PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION (D&X):

D&X stands for "Dilation and Extraction". This partial birth method of abortion is used when the fetus is 26 weeks of age or older. At this stage of development, the toughness of the fetal tissue makes the D&E method difficult.

After dilating the cervix for two days, the abortionist uses ultrasound to locate the fetus' legs. One leg is pulled into the vagina with forceps, then the other leg and torso are delivered by hand.

The head of the fetus remains in the uterus. Using a blunt-tipped surgical scissor in a closed position, the abortionist pierces the fetus' head at the base of the skull, and then opens the scissors to enlarge the hole.

A suction catheter is inserted into the womb and the skull contents are vacuumed out. The corpse is then pulled completely from the mother's body.


SCARE TACTICS!?!?!?! .... well....i'm pretty damn scared.

thank God i have already been born

[Dionysos]

Originally Posted by JOEBIALEK

On this 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, I would like to share my views on the issue of abortion.

Life begins at the point of conception. No one can deny that after a human being is conceived it will develop into the very same being as those debating this issue. What astounds me is that those who favor abortion went through an identical development stage as the being they are condemning to death.

I went through the same development stage as convicted murderers and I'm in favor of the death penalty. Should I reconsider just because we both went through mitosis? I mean, it's apparently a huge bond that should keep me from ever judging them in any way, shape, or form. Maybe we should just let them go do whatever they want because at one point we were both embryos.

...or maybe I just set the bar a little higher.

Originally Posted by reason

old argument.... new jokes

for me... its as simple as this

abortion stops the beating of a human heart

explain to me how that is not an actual death, and i will respectfully change my view

The heart doesn't start to beat until 21 days after conception. So are the first 20 days OK then?

[transparentaura]

Let them be born...
Then kill 'em.
Unless they got money.
Women DO NOT use abortion as birth control,thats as fucking insulting, insensitive, uninformed and PIOUS as it gets. BUT! but if they did, make up your mind. Do you wanna bitch about a cheap procedure and a 20 oz HAZMAT bag o waste, or spend your life whining about your property taxes, don't answer I already know. If all life is equal, why aren't our schools. Why is a 1 billion dollar stadium debated, funded and half constructed before ground is broken on a homeless shelter in a city teeming with poor people that all have warrants because they couldn't find a womb to crawl back into when you banned them?
Step up Humanitarians! All life is equal. Theres more to life than being born. It takes maintenance. If you want to talk about personal responsibility(which you couldn't do if you weren't nurtured by someone all those years you were a useless lump of baby fat) then explain why your basket deserved to get plucked out of the fucking reeds and not everyones? Which way do you want it? If there should be no abortions. Then there should be no hungry kids, no cold kids, no uneducated kids.
We have no problem deciding which human beings deserve to die. Whose medical condition merits treatment, whose doesn't. We plug our ears and chant "Im not listening" in court when the bleeding hearts describe what happened to this wretched human being we can't wait to kill. We have every right to kick those damn mexican kids out of schools they didn't pay for...don't we?
Its easy to spout sanctimonious bullshit. But Who made it a market decision? Fork up the cash or shut the fuck up.

[MC Twinkie]

[quote=transparentaura;3047000]Women DO NOT use abortion as birth control,thats as fucking insulting, insensitive, uninformed and PIOUS as it gets. BUT! but if they did, make up your mind. Do you wanna bitch about a cheap procedure and a 20 oz HAZMAT bag o waste, or spend your life whining about your property taxes, don't answer I already know. If all life is equal, why aren't our schools. Why is a 1 billion dollar stadium debated, funded and half constructed before ground is broken on a homeless shelter in a city teeming with poor people that all have warrants because they couldn't find a womb to crawl back into when you banned them?
Step up Humanitarians! All life is equal. Theres more to life than being [quote]

Arlington has at least 2 homeless shelters. Have you talked to a homeless person lately? I pulled up to the luandramate a few weeks ago and a hobo asked me for money so he could go to a buffet. With change in my hand I told the fucker "NO!" Why, because he just killed a beer right in front of me while I parked my car. I would say 90 % of these people have trouble with substances. Most relaps even if you get them off. Once you give them a hand out, they learn they can get more freebies by being even more pathetic.

The statium is pretty gay, because the hard working guy that works at McDonalds and shit like that could never afford tickets. The new statium is pretty much for rich people. And it will provide low paying jobs that will increase the ghetto like quality of Arlington.

So actually I think we could have saved a lot of time money and trouble with a simple abortion. There are people that have legit reason for needing help like a house fire, and accidents through no fault of their own. But those people don't hang out on the streets begging.

Originally Posted by reason

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:::gasps for air::::
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hah
are you serious!?!?!?!?
i shouldn't even dignify that comment with a response
since i dont want any other un-educated readers to believe that load of crap...... here are the methods of abortion that do exactly what you say is a "scare tactic":
SCARE TACTICS!?!?!?! .... well....i'm pretty damn scared.

thank God i have already been born

Have you had an abortion? Do you work in an abortion clinic? You dont know which method is used the most. You are still referencing websites of of more religious propaganda. The methods you are talking about are for late abortions. Secondly, its an abortion! You don't get a mini coffin and bury the little shit. There is no open casket view. They put it in a medial waste bag and burn it. What difference does it make if its in one peice? There are less morbid forms of abortion though. If doctors are trying "scared straight" tactics is up to them, but there are several options to the doctor. Seriously, even a coat hanger will pull it all out in 1 go if you get it wrapped around the neck.

[Delfonic]

Originally Posted by clay donkey

They don't go in and chop the baby up with a buzz saw. That's just a scare tactic. Religious people not telling the truth, who would have guessed. They give it a calcium injection and then you just miss carry. They might use the salad tongs though.

I'm pretty sure this is incorrect.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by clay donkey

They don't go in and chop the baby up with a buzz saw. That's just a scare tactic. Religious people not telling the truth, who would have guessed. They give it a calcium injection and then you just miss carry. They might use the salad tongs though.

Technique described: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_birth_abortion

Once the cervix is sufficiently dilated, the doctor uses an ultrasound and forceps to grasp the fetus' leg. The fetus is turned to a breech position, if necessary, and the doctor pulls one or both legs out of the birth canal, causing what is referred to by some people as the 'partial birth' of the fetus. The doctor subsequently extracts the rest of the fetus, usually without the aid of forceps, leaving only the head still inside the birth canal. An incision is made at the base of the skull, scissors are inserted into the incision and opened to widen the opening[9], and then a suction catheter is inserted into the opening. The brain is suctioned out, which causes the skull to collapse and allows the fetus to pass more easily through the birth canal. The placenta is removed and the uterine wall is vacuum aspirated using a suction curette.[10]

This has diddly to do with religion. Science after many eons has deternmined that pregnant female humans deliver human babies... every time... never a piano or a cat or even a dangling participle... furter, abortions, whether this ^ technique or another, kill that baby. There is zero need to resort to religion to arrive at either of those facts. The "religion" assertion is a red herring. It is not up to a priest to determine whast's in the mother's womb nor wether it is alive or not... that's purely a matter for doctors/science. People use the religion angle to try to define the baby as something other thana human baby which assuages their conscience that when they advocate for abortion that they are not actually advocating for the killing of an innocene tunborn baby... which is exactly what is being killed.

Originally Posted by clay donkey

Have you had an abortion? Do you work in an abortion clinic? You dont know which method is used the most. You are still referencing websites of of more religious propaganda. The methods you are talking about are for late abortions. Secondly, its an abortion! You don't get a mini coffin and bury the little shit. There is no open casket view. They put it in a medial waste bag and burn it. What difference does it make if its in one peice? There are less morbid forms of abortion though. If doctors are trying "scared straight" tactics is up to them, but there are several options to the doctor. Seriously, even a coat hanger will pull it all out in 1 go if you get it wrapped around the neck.

So, you're arguing that if method A or B is used then killing the baby is perfectly fine while if Method C is used it isn't?

The fundamental issue here is the killing or not killing of a baby... not how that death is acheived.

Originally Posted by transparentaura

If there should be no abortions. Then there should be no hungry kids, no cold kids, no uneducated kids.
We have no problem deciding which human beings deserve to die.

Are you telling me that if a baby cannot be wamed, fed, educated etc to a level you find sufficient it would preferable that the baby be aborted... that if a baby is to be born poor it should be aborted instead?

[JOEBIALEK]

good points

[SmackPickles]

Originally Posted by GooBox

Become a woman, and then you decide whether you'd like the choice or not.

Nuff Said.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by SmackPickles

Nuff Said.

enough said for the fool who forgets the dead baby


I support legal abortion.

Are you ready to stare in the face, the reality of what that means?

Abortion kills babies.

[Damnsammit]

Originally Posted by xian

Abortion kills babies.

This is news to me.

[GooBox]

Originally Posted by xian

enough said for the fool who forgets the dead baby


I support legal abortion.

Are you ready to stare in the face, the reality of what that means?

Abortion kills babies.

It's like getting a mole removed, right?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by GooBox

It's like getting a mole removed, right?

Sure, if that mole could not grow up and kiss you on the cheek and say, "I love you daddy." (provided that you didn't kill the mole first)

Then, yes, just like that.

Otherwise, pretty much, no. Not like that.

[GooBox]

Originally Posted by xian

Sure, if that mole could grow up and kiss you on the cheek and say, "I love you daddy." (provided that you didn't kill the mole first)

Then, yes, just like that.

Otherwise, pretty much, no. Not like that.

heh....I've been so confused this whole time. Thanks for clearing that up, buddy.

But I still think that, in a way, growing babies ARE like moles. If you don't get them removed early on, they could lead to your own death.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by Damnsammit

I just wish we could kill babies after they are born, so men can take part in the fun, too.

with Bass-o-Matic blenders... right?


Some topics aren't so funny sam... dead babies are one of them... pathetic cock sucking meth addicts are another...

[Damnsammit]

Originally Posted by xian

Some topics aren't so funny sam... dead babies are one of them... pathetic cock sucking meth addicts are another...

I deleted it, damn it... you are so quick when you are drinking wine.