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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | HHS moves to define contraceptives as abortion http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cristi..._b_112887.html HHS Moves to Define Contraception as Abortion stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust Posted July 15, 2008 | 02:24 PM In a spectacular act of complicity with the religious right, the Department of Health and Human Services Monday released a proposal that allows any federal grant recipient to obstruct a woman's access to contraception. In order to do this, the Department is attempting to redefine many forms of contraception, the birth control 40% of Americans use, as abortion. Doing so protects extremists under the Weldon and Church amendments. Those laws prohibit federal grant recipients from requiring employees to help provide or refer for abortion services. In the "Definitions" section of the HHS proposal it states, "Abortion: An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. There are two commonly held views on the question of when a pregnancy begins. Some consider a pregnancy to begin at conception (that is, the fertilization of the egg by the sperm), while others consider it to begin with implantation (when the embryo implants in the lining of the uterus). A 2001 Zogby International American Values poll revealed that 49% of Americans believe that human life begins at conception. Presumably many who hold this belief think that any action that destroys human life after conception is the termination of a pregnancy, and so would be included in their definition of the term "abortion." Those who believe pregnancy begins at implantation believe the term "abortion" only includes the destruction of a human being after it has implanted in the lining of the uterus."The proposal continues, "Both definitions of pregnancy inform medical practice. Some medical authorities, like the American Medical Association and the British Medical Association, have defined the term "established pregnancy" as occurring after implantation. Other medical authorities present different definitions. Stedman's Medical Dictionary, for example, defines pregnancy as "[t]he state of a female after conception and until the termination of the gestation." Dorland's Medical Dictionary defines pregnancy, in relevant part, as "the condition of having a developing embryo or fetus in the body, after union of an oocyte and spermatozoon."Up until now, the federal government followed the definition of pregnancy accepted by the American Medical Association and our nation's pregnancy experts, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, which is: pregnancy begins at implantation. With this proposal, however, HHS is dismissing medical experts and opting instead to accept a definition of pregnancy based on polling data. It now claims that pregnancy begins at some biologically unknowable moment (there's no test to determine if a woman's egg has been fertilized). Under these new standards there would be no way for a woman to prove she's not pregnant. Thus, any woman could be denied contraception under HHS' new science. The other rarely discussed issue here is whether hormonal contraception even does what the religious right claims. There is no scientific evidence that hormonal methods of birth control can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the womb. This argument is the basis upon which the religious right hopes to include the 40% of the birth control methods Americans use, such as the pill, the patch, the shot, the ring, the IUD, and emergency contraception, under the classification "abortion." Even the "pro-life" movement's most respected physicians cautioned the movement about making these claims. In 1999, the physicians -- who, like the movement at large, define pregnancy as beginning at fertilization-- released an open letter to community stating: "Recently, some special interest groups have claimed, without providing any scientific rationale, that some methods of contraception may have an abortifacient effect...The 'hormonal contraception is abortifacient' theory is not established fact. It is speculation, and the discussion presented here suggests it is error...if a family, weighing all the factors affecting their own circumstances, decides to use this modality, we are confident that they are not using an abortifacient."As the HHS proposal proves, the absence of fact or evidence does not slow anti-abortion movement attempts to classify hormonal contraception as abortion. With HHS' proposal they have struck gold. Anyone working for a federal clinic, or a health center that receives federal funding -- even in the form of Medicaid -- and would like to prevent a woman from accessing most prescription birth control methods has federal protection to do so. As the HHS proposal details, "Because the statutes that would be enforced through this regulation seek, in part, to protect individuals and institutions from suffering discrimination on the basis of conscience, the conscience of the individual or institution should be paramount in determining what constitutes abortion, within the bounds of reason. As discussed above, both definitions of pregnancy are reasonable and used within the scientific and medical community. The Department proposes, then, to allow individuals and institutions to adhere to their own views and adopt a definition of abortion that encompasses both views of abortion." (emphasis mine) So HHS proposes that anyone can enforce his or her own definition of abortion "within the bounds of reason." And, it would seem the bounds are pretty far flung. Most dangerously, perhaps, this new rule establishes a legal precedent that may eventually be used as a basis for banning the most popular forms of birth control along with what is, in fact, abortion.
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![]() | Just curious, are the only people who oppose abortion members of the religious right or was the author just making a sweeping generalization? And, just to prevent unnecessary debate... I believe that life begins at conception. I believe abortion should be legal under the Roe framework. I believe Griswald prevents banning contraception. My only beef is the suggestion that only the "religious right" whatever the hell that is could believe abortion is wrong and that life begins at conception. The onset of life is a purely scientific question.... not a religious one. Though one the "religious right" seem to understand a bit better than the non "religious right." The worry is a tempest in a teapot that cannot withstand judicial scrutiny. |
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It is a scientific question - not a religious one. The author above would seem to suggest that the question is purely religious. Notice how they even avoid asking the question? They ask "when does a pregnancy begin?" Not quite as loaded is it? Oh, and you can find people who are pro-life amongst the left too... even Christians on the left... atheists too. Anyway, I just wanted to bitch about the author's manner. The general notion the author complains about is fair to complain about but the likelihood of such a program seeing the light of day is dismal to the point of meaninglessness. | |
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I hate children, and believe our growth rate is too high anyways. so.....and FTR, i couldn't care less what you do with your body until about 7months, when the baby is viable. anyways? Did ya catch bush telling us ""They're smart enough to figure out whether they're going to drive less or not. I mean, you know, it's interesting what the price of gasoline has done," Bush said at a news conference in the White House press room, "is it caused people to drive less. That's why they want smaller cars: They want to conserve. But the consumer's plenty bright. The marketplace works." Yes, by ignoring the problem and then having oil skyrocket in a very short time, we've changed our habits. Planning for this with maybe higher fuel standards or alt energy would of been ridiculous. fucking clueless
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He's defending his nonaction and the crippling pain people are feeling as the market sorting itself out. and wow wow wow you pull that out of your ass? where the FUCK did i say anything about one race being better than another. You should know better to make such a loaded comment as that without any fucking proof. It was based on my observations on our raping of the planet. All races should have less kids. also, i referred to "our birth rate" i didn't say "the brown people's birth rate." fucking a blah
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![]() As for Bush, it seemed he made the remarkable observation that high gas prices resulted in less driving. No more no less. Oh, and buying more fuel efficient cars too. | |
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Quit being racist and saying that brown people fuck alot
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![]() | its not just that.... they get pregnant and have lots of babies too seriously Aaron - you should check some world demographics... lots of places in europe are seeing population declines and are paying citizens to have babies |
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I'm well aware of Europe and Japan's negative birth rate. The overall world population is still increasing though. Quote:
(keep referring to me as a eugenicist and i'll keep being a dick)
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How many times do I have to tell you that I'm agnostic - I am not denyng anything. I want more data. You on the otherhand have never read a report, theory or proposal from Global warming alarmists that you haven't imbedded into your DNA. Who's the objective one and who's the sheep here? good lord... like I need that reference, which was clearly a joke, for you to be a dickhead... its somethnig you take specific pride in Aaron. | ||
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How many times do I have to tell you that I'm agnostic - I am not denyng anything. I want more data. You on the otherhand have never read a report, theory or proposal from Global warming alarmists that you haven't imbedded into your DNA. Who's the objective one and who's the sheep here? good lord... like you need that, singular reference which was clearly a joke, for you to be a dickhead... its somethnig you take specific pride in Aaron. | ||
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