Obama has a great energy policy...

[St. Stalin the Apathetic]

Originally Posted by david austin

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I know. You ready for our date? I've got the pink princess bike all set up with a bitch seat and everything

[david austin]

you really do know how to charm.

[St. Stalin the Apathetic]

lol

[Dionysos]

Originally Posted by xian

fucking politician.... Jonny... I got a rope.... you got a tree?

Screw that, I got a chainsaw and some gasoline. Let's make sure this fucker doesn't come back.

[Big Andy]

Only read the first few posts....


Cars still need to be maintained. Fuel systems get gunked up. Spark plugs go bad. Sensors go bad and cause those lovely computers to throw codes and not run at top efficiency. Thermostats break, causing the ecu to run in warm up mode all the time, which dumps extra fuel into the engine, killing mileage.

Yes, by properly maintaining your vehicles tires and powertrain, you can save alot of gas. MOST PEOPLE DON"T PROPERLY MAINTAIN THEIR CARS OR EVER CHECK THEIR TIRE PRESSURE! Shit like that only occasionaly gets done if the mechanic is nice enough to check it for you when you come in for an oil change or something.... Sometimes...

And the assertion that this encompasses his entire energy policy is typical right wing smear, which isn't worth smearing on toast.

We don't need more oil, we need to stop (slow) our use of it. It's nasty stuff, bad for the earth, AND non renewable. Why in god's name do we need more of it? Exxon's not gonna drop it's gas prices when it's making record profits quarter after quarter...

[progress]

Originally Posted by Big Andy

And the assertion that this encompasses his entire energy policy is typical right wing smear, which isn't worth smearing on toast.

How the hell is this a typical right wing smear, there's a fucking video of him saying it VERBATIM!!!!!

There are things that you can do individually though to save energy; making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they’re talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much.”

[tricky]

They're very good at negative campaigning. They're not so good at governing.

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[I AM EL-NINO]

Originally Posted by big andy

and the assertion that this encompasses his entire energy policy is typical right wing smear, which isn't worth smearing on toast.

We don't need more oil, we need to stop (slow) our use of it. It's nasty stuff, bad for the earth, and non renewable. Why in god's name do we need more of it? Exxon's not gonna drop it's gas prices when it's making record profits quarter after quarter...

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[david austin]

Originally Posted by Big Andy

We don't need more oil, we need to stop (slow) our use of it. It's nasty stuff, bad for the earth, AND non renewable. Why in god's name do we need more of it? Exxon's not gonna drop it's gas prices when it's making record profits quarter after quarter...

yes... exxon sends its daily memo of what to charge for gas to continue raping us.

if you are gonna throw the 'smear' tactic out at least know how the system works.

[Big Andy]

no where in any of those quotes of Obama does he say that no further energy policy is necessary other than inflating tires and tuning up cars, which is what's being implied by the right in this situation.


So NO, that's not what he said "verbatim."


Know how the system works? what system, gas or smear? OR does it matter? I'm not talking specifics here, but it's obvious the oil industry has got a great racket going, and they're making billions.

The plain fact is, energy policy wasn't even a buzz word until this election, so it's being abused for propaganda purposes. It's the new gay marriage.

It's obvious that way too many of us are using more than our fair share of a non-renewable resource, so drilling for more when we don't even have the capacity to refine it any faster is absolutely ludicrous and an obvious pandering tactic.

In this specific situation, where a politician has made a good suggestion referring to the fact that the average american CAN have an impact on our oil consumption, but is getting blasted for it... That's smear. And I would expect no less from the Republicans.

[zcwilly]

Conservation by itself isn't going to solve the problem, drilling by itself isn't going to solve it, neither will alternative energy sources alone... It will take a combination of all three.

Pretty much the main reason oil costs so much right now is the value of the dollar. High fuel prices are causing inflation, inflation is causing people to foreclose, and foreclosures are causing housing prices to tumble which is causing the credit crisis. Just like dominos.. One thing is for certain though, there is only so much oil in the ground and we absolutely have to start taking action now to minimize the damage that will be done when it does reach it's peak.

I'm actually glad in a way that oil is so expensive because it is forcing us to act. If fuel ever went back down to $2 per gallon we would stick our heads back in the sand until it happens again.

[david austin]

Originally Posted by Big Andy

Know how the system works? what system, gas or smear? OR does it matter? I'm not talking specifics here, but it's obvious the oil industry has got a great racket going, and they're making billions.

The plain fact is, energy policy wasn't even a buzz word until this election, so it's being abused for propaganda purposes. It's the new gay marriage.

yes it does matter.

to understand how a free market commodity is traded is to understand why gas prices are around 4$/gl

and yes... energy policy is the buzz because most of the public is either to dumb to understand how it works or to dumb to ask of its leaders how it all works.

america... a classic balance of ignorance and apathy.

[progress]

Originally Posted by Big Andy

no where in any of those quotes of Obama does he say that no further energy policy is necessary other than inflating tires and tuning up cars, which is what's being implied by the right in this situation.


So NO, that's not what he said "verbatim."

Let me quote it for you, one more time in BOLD

There are things that you can do individually though to save energy; making sure your tires are properly inflated, simple thing, but we could save all the oil that they’re talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much.”

[St. Stalin the Apathetic]

Originally Posted by Big Andy

no where in any of those quotes of Obama does he say that no further energy policy is necessary other than inflating tires and tuning up cars, which is what's being implied by the right in this situation.


So NO, that's not what he said "verbatim."

Obama's Solution to High Gas Prices: "Inflate Your Tires".

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he implied we do not need to drill new oil - all we need to do is fill up our tires. No, it isn't a total solution to our energy issues but he did offer it as a solution to our current oil cruch that eliminates the need for drilling.

Originally Posted by Big Andy

Know how the system works? what system, gas or smear? OR does it matter? I'm not talking specifics here, but it's obvious the oil industry has got a great racket going, and they're making billions.

Yes, they are. Good for them. You know who owns Exxon? Millions of Americans' retirement plans etal.

Originally Posted by Big Andy

The plain fact is, energy policy wasn't even a buzz word until this election, so it's being abused for propaganda purposes. It's the new gay marriage.

Except that gay marriage hasn't been driving prices through the roof. Our energy crisis is. It is not some trivial issue it is a core issue of great importance.

Originally Posted by Big Andy

It's obvious that way too many of us are using more than our fair share of a non-renewable resource, so drilling for more when we don't even have the capacity to refine it any faster is absolutely ludicrous and an obvious pandering tactic.

This presumes that refineries, when they've refined some of their supply will never need any more oil to refine. Well, they will. That's where new oil supplies and oil futures come in to play.

Originally Posted by Big Andy

In this specific situation, where a politician has made a good suggestion referring to the fact that the average american CAN have an impact on our oil consumption, but is getting blasted for it... That's smear. And I would expect no less from the Republicans.

wish I could find the analysis on the oil savings of inflating tires vs new drilling but the end result is that while it is true that proper inflation is important it is statisticlly insignificant when compared to drilling new sources. In short, his suggestion is a good one - just meaningless in addressing the crisis at hand.

edit: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../07/021122.php

Just for fun, I did the math. Properly inflating your tires can improve gas mileage by 3%. Of course, many people already keep their tires properly inflated, and many more are at least close to being properly inflated. Let's be generous and assume that one-half of the total possible savings would be realized if we all inflated our tires properly; that's a net gain of 1.5% fuel efficiency.

Americans drive approximately 2,880 billion miles per year. If we average 24 mpg, we use around 120 billion gallons of gasoline in our vehicles. If, through perfect tire inflation, we improved our collective fuel efficiency by 1.5%, that would be 1.8 billion gallons. A barrel of oil produces around 20 gallons of gasoline, so the total savings available through tire inflation is approximately 90,000,000 barrels of oil annually.

How does this stack up against "all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling?"

ANWR: 10 billion barrels

Outer Continental Shelf: 18 billion barrels (estimated; the actual total is undoubtedly much higher, since exploration has been banned)

Oil shale: 1 trillion barrels

So, on the above assumptions, it would take only 11,308 years of proper tire inflation to equal "all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling."

Obama is a curious case. He gives the impression He gives the impression of being an intelligent guy, but through his unscripted comments we have learned that he knows little about history, science or mathematics. He also seems rather shockingly short on common sense, as this most recent gaffe illustrates.

[tricky]

As one commenter on HuffingtonPost has noted,

"If [conservatives] do, in fact, distribute tire gauges it will one of the most beneficial things they've done for the general populous in at least the last 28 years."
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