The Cone of Silence Scandal

[PETA]

Originally Posted by tricky

I've got that link too.... You obviously are oblivious to the fact that this is was a debate on faith. You lead me to believe that you are unable to tell the difference between church/state issues. Read the damn transcript, all of it. It's a bunch of religious bullshit masquerading as important issues.

Indeed, I am oblivious to that and the more of the trasncript and the more articles I look to the more oblivious I get and the more fascinated I become by your genius in finding something that isn't there.

Originally Posted by tricky

I don't give a shit if obama believes in the goddamn flying spaghetti monster...this is trivial shit.

No one asked if he believed in God. How he defined God etc.

"What’s the most gut-wrenching decision you’ve ever had to make?”

"Warren asked for an example of a time in which he “went against party loyalty and maybe even against your own best interest for the good of America.”

can't recall exact wording but another Q: was when does an unborn child deserve protection of law

these are not questions of faith - they are personal integrity, politics and law. Your goggles have you fairly tied up here.

Originally Posted by tricky

still bullshit 2 posts later

you're calling bullshit because that's all you have left after your guy got smoked



give me a list of the questions about the candidate's faiths

[tricky]

We'll just have to disagree here then. You think it's fine for the US Presidential Canidates to waste their time with this religious circle jerk and I don't.

Read the fucking transcript, everything is either about faith or thru the lense of faith,,,,

[PETA]

Originally Posted by tricky

We'll just have to disagree here then. You think it's fine for the US Presidential Canidates to waste their time with this religious circle jerk and I don't.

Read the fucking transcript, everything is either about faith or thru the lense of faith,,,,

I found one

"What does it mean to you to trust in Christ and what does it mean on a daily basis? I mean, what does that really look like?"

this was a Q&A at a church - there had to be some questions touching on faith but then the article goes on with bunch of other questions..... on inegrity, politics and law.

You're right - there were some questions on faith in there (well, one so far) but the overwhelming majority of questions I'm finding writers opining about are strictly about the candidates political views and integrity for leadership.

You're flat out wrong that everything is about faith in there.

I found one question on faith I posted it up.... I've poted lots more having nothng to do with faith..... so, either post up the questions you're referring to or don't and we'll assume they don't exist


where's the religion in this question

"which existing Supreme Court Justices would you not have nominated?"

or this one

"at what point is a baby entitled to human rights?"

c'mon Aaron....

[tricky]

Q OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LET'S TALK ABOUT PERSONAL

20 LIFE. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT INTEGRITY AND LOVE ARE THE

21 BASIS FOR LEADERSHIP. THIS IS A TOUGH QUESTION, WHAT

22 WOULD BE LOOKING OVER YOUR LIFE, EVERYBODY'S GOT WINGS,

23 NOBODY'S PERFECT, WOULD BE THE GREATEST MORAL FAILURE IN

24 YOUR LIFE AND WHAT WOULD BE THE GREATEST MORAL FAILURE OF

25 AMERICA?

since you obviously missed it in my other post....

[PETA]

Originally Posted by tricky

since you obviously missed it in my other post....

No, I didn't. I said 100 words referring to a source for his question asking about the candidates biggest moral failing is not a religious question. It is a question about integrity.....

look there are sure to be a few religious questions in there... that ain;t one of them. That question could just as easily be asked of you and even as an atheist you could answer it.

McCain said his biggest moral failure was the collapse of his first marriage. That's about his personal integrity - not about his faith.


Obama, I do not recall his answer.... I think he referred to his use of drugs though. Again, not a question or response about faith.

Seems like one of us cannot seperate the two and it ain't me with the issue. You seem to find it bound up in everything and it just ain't there.

[I AM EL-NINO]

Tricky,

I now have gone from just thinking your a total douche to actually feeling sorry for you.
Had I known you were a aetheist sooner I wouldnt have given you so much shit. But now I understand what your problem is. Your lost and looking for something, anything to justify your pathetic existance. The hate in you has blinded your abilities to make any rational point.

[GreyArea]

Originally Posted by xian

The reason Obama looked like an idiot and McCain appeared very well prepared for the Saddleback Church Q&A is because McCain got a preview of the questions because he wasn't in a "cone of silence"

Never mind that the term is from "Get Smart"

Never mind the fact that the questions asked were pretty standard fare that a candidate hould be prepared to answer. Obama is just awful when he isn't reading off of a teleprompter.


Article on the issue: http://features.csmonitor.com/politi...ne-of-silence/


Its amusing that the Obama camp's response to his poor showing was a claim that the other guy's good showing is proof that he cheated. Could have something to do with the fact that Obama has now been running for President longer than the time he spent in the Senate prior to announcing his candidacy.

So how do you spin McCain knowing the answer to questions before they were asked?


From Obama's interview:

[Warren] - OKAY LET'S GO TO EDUCATION. AMERICA RIGHT NOW 23 RANKS 19TH IN HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION. WE'RE FIRST IN INCARCERATIONS.

[Obama] - NOT GOOD.

[Warren] - NOT GOOD. 80 PERCENT OF AMERICANS RECENT POLE SAID THEY BELIEVE IN MERIT PAY FOR TEACHERS.

1. I'M NOT ASKING DO YOU THINK ALL TEACHERS SHOULD GET A RAISE.

2. DO YOU THINK BETTER TEACHERS SHOULD BE PAID BETTER?

3. THEY SHOULD BE MAKING MORE THAN POOR TEACHERS?


From McCain's interview:

[Warren] - ALL RIGHT. LET'S TALK ABOUT EDUCATION. AMERICA 18 RANKS 19TH IN HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATIONS, BUT WE'RE FIRST IN 19 INCARCERATION. EVERYBODY SAYS THEY WANT MORE ACCOUNTABILITY IN SCHOOLS?

[McCain] - UH-HUH.

[Warren] - ABOUT 80 PERCENT OF AMERICA SAYS THEY SUPPORT MERIT PAY FOR THE BEST TEACHERS. NOW, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR STUMP SPEECH ON EDUCATION?

[McCain] - YES. YES. AND FIND BAD TEACHERS ANOTHER LINE OF WORK.

[Warren] - YOU KNOW -

[McCain] - CAN I -

[Warren] - YOU ARE ANSWERING SO QUICKLY.


how did mccain answer all three questions before any of them were asked?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by GreyArea

From McCain's interview:

[Warren] - ALL RIGHT. LET'S TALK ABOUT EDUCATION. AMERICA 18 RANKS 19TH IN HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATIONS, BUT WE'RE FIRST IN 19 INCARCERATION. EVERYBODY SAYS THEY WANT MORE ACCOUNTABILITY IN SCHOOLS?

[McCain] - UH-HUH.

[Warren] - ABOUT 80 PERCENT OF AMERICA SAYS THEY SUPPORT MERIT PAY FOR THE BEST TEACHERS. NOW, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR STUMP SPEECH ON EDUCATION?

[McCain] - YES. YES. AND FIND BAD TEACHERS ANOTHER LINE OF WORK.

[Warren] - YOU KNOW -

[McCain] - CAN I -

[Warren] - YOU ARE ANSWERING SO QUICKLY.


how did mccain answer all three questions before any of them were asked?

He says, "yes, yes" all the time. Its one of his fillers like, "my friends."

For you to read the "yes yes" as responses to unanswered questions is bizarre. Especially from dottering old fool who cannot remember his own policies... but he can remember questions in order and their answers in Q&A forum?

you're seeing something I don't - he agreed/offered an affirmation that he accepted the question and offered another step he'd support

feel free to disagree with me on whether McCain heard the questions but I fail to see how that was any evidence supporting your opinion

[I AM EL-NINO]

Originally Posted by GreyArea

So how do you spin McCain knowing the answer to questions before they were asked?


From Obama's interview:

[Warren] - OKAY LET'S GO TO EDUCATION. AMERICA RIGHT NOW 23 RANKS 19TH IN HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION. WE'RE FIRST IN INCARCERATIONS.

[Obama] - NOT GOOD.

[Warren] - NOT GOOD. 80 PERCENT OF AMERICANS RECENT POLE SAID THEY BELIEVE IN MERIT PAY FOR TEACHERS.

1. I'M NOT ASKING DO YOU THINK ALL TEACHERS SHOULD GET A RAISE.

2. DO YOU THINK BETTER TEACHERS SHOULD BE PAID BETTER?

3. THEY SHOULD BE MAKING MORE THAN POOR TEACHERS?


From McCain's interview:

[Warren] - ALL RIGHT. LET'S TALK ABOUT EDUCATION. AMERICA 18 RANKS 19TH IN HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATIONS, BUT WE'RE FIRST IN 19 INCARCERATION. EVERYBODY SAYS THEY WANT MORE ACCOUNTABILITY IN SCHOOLS?

[McCain] - UH-HUH.

[Warren] - ABOUT 80 PERCENT OF AMERICA SAYS THEY SUPPORT MERIT PAY FOR THE BEST TEACHERS. NOW, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR STUMP SPEECH ON EDUCATION?

[McCain] - YES. YES. AND FIND BAD TEACHERS ANOTHER LINE OF WORK.

[Warren] - YOU KNOW -

[McCain] - CAN I -

[Warren] - YOU ARE ANSWERING SO QUICKLY.


how did mccain answer all three questions before any of them were asked?

I thought you knew......He has had all these months to memorize the answers that preacher gave him in January. Lolllzzzz.

Now back to reality. This accusation has no proof to back it up.

[GreyArea]

Originally Posted by I AM EL-NINO

I thought you knew......He has had all these months to memorize the answers that preacher gave him in January. Lolllzzzz.

Now back to reality. This accusation has no proof to back it up.

Despite Assurances, McCain Wasn’t in a ‘Cone of Silence’

Despite Assurances, McCain Wasn’t in a ‘Cone of Silence’

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Published: August 17, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. — Senator John McCain was not in a “cone of silence” on Saturday night while his rival, Senator Barack Obama, was being interviewed at the Saddleback Church in California.

You must have missed todays talking points. He didn't cheat because he's a POW!

Nicolle Wallace, a spokeswoman for Mr. McCain, said on Sunday night that Mr. McCain had not heard the broadcast of the event while in his motorcade and heard none of the questions.
“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.

Just like he didn't cheat on his first wife

[PETA]

It is true that he wasn't in this "cone of silence." That's not the question.

The question is whether he heard the questions before hand.

You think he did. I don't. Or rather, I think the transcript section you cited to offers no support for the assertion. If you need to believe that McCain burrying Obama at Saddleback was a result of cheating - so be it but no amount of arguing will change either of our minds.

[GreyArea]

Originally Posted by xian

It is true that he wasn't in this "cone of silence." That's not the question.

The question is whether he heard the questions before hand.

You think he did. I don't. Or rather, I think the transcript section you cited to offers no support for the assertion. If you need to believe that McCain burrying Obama at Saddleback was a result of cheating - so be it but no amount of arguing will change either of our minds.

You are right. We should not let facts get in the way here. Who cares that he broke the rules, McCain "Burried" him.

Again, how do you answer questions that havn't been asked yet? Does McCain have some super ESP we don't know about?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by GreyArea

You are right. We should not let facts get in the way here. Who cares that he broke the rules, McCain "Burried" him.

You and I disagree on the facts. Did McCain hear the questions or not. I think he didn't you think he did.

You and I disagree on the facts. Did McCain burry Obama? I think Obama looked bad and McCain good. You disagree.

Originally Posted by GreyArea

Again, how do you answer questions that havn't been asked yet? Does McCain have some super ESP we don't know about?

As I said, that in no way appeared to be an answer to an unasked question. Its just filler speak people use under such circumstances. Yes, I know, you think it proof positive that he knew the question before hand - and as I said - I think that's a silly conculsion to draw from the transcript. Further, given all the arguments about his "dementia" and forgetfulness I think your evidence even weaker.

There's no point to this conversation.

[GreyArea]

Originally Posted by xian

You and I disagree on the facts. Did McCain hear the questions or not. I think he didn't you think he did.

You and I disagree on the facts. Did McCain burry Obama? I think Obama looked bad and McCain good. You disagree.



As I said, that in no way appeared to be an answer to an unasked question. Its just filler speak people use under such circumstances. Yes, I know, you think it proof positive that he knew the question before hand - and as I said - I think that's a silly conculsion to draw from the transcript. Further, given all the arguments about his "dementia" and forgetfulness I think your aevidence even weaker.

There's no point to this conversation.

So when McCain asked about when the Supreme Court question was coming, he was just guessing, right?

[PETA]

Originally Posted by GreyArea

So when McCain asked about when the Supreme Court question was coming, he was just guessing, right?

Originally Posted by xian

It is true that he wasn't in this "cone of silence." That's not the question.

The question is whether he heard the questions before hand.

You think he did. I don't. Or rather, I think the transcript section you cited to offers no support for the assertion. If you need to believe that McCain burrying Obama at Saddleback was a result of cheating - so be it but no amount of arguing will change either of our minds.

If you've got better evidence - I'd certainly reconsider