sorry ravers/stoners, but Biden voted AGAINST FISA....

[tricky]

and that is hell of a lot more important than you not being able to party for 3 days in some fucking warehouse or get stoned with the latest and greatest superfuckingcoolbong.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8.../071/55/573535

For years, Sen. Biden (D-DE) has been calling for the prison camp at Guantanamo to be shut down, saying it has "become the greatest propaganda tool that exists for recruiting of terrorists around the world."
Biden says the prisoners should be moved to the maximum security military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. He has cosponsored legislation that would release all Guantanamo prisoners who have not been charged. This would mean releasing nearly all the prisoners.
Biden voted against the Military Commissions Act.

When the New York Times reported in October of 2007 that the Bush Administration had authorized U.S. personnel to torture detainees, authorization that came from classified Justice Department memoranda issued Alberto Gonzales in 2005, Biden said this:

This is an outrage and an embarrassment to the nation and is further proof that you cannot trust this Administration. Before these memos were drafted, the Administration publicly denied their use of torture and now it is clear to all that they were not telling the truth.
These abhorrent policies have made us less safe in the world. The shirking of responsibility by this White House, from blaming Abu Ghraib on lower-level officers and firing others for their own incompetent Iraq policies, is a disturbing pattern of behavior that must come to an end.
We need a change of direction in America. The American people need a White House they can be proud of here at home and one that commands respect abroad.

but seriously though, don't touch my jewelry bags

[Deff Gordon]

we should let them all out and give them lots of money for compensation.

[e-brake]

Well if thats the real issue we need to worry about we cant vote for Obama because he voted for FISA. Biden just wants to be VP, Obama is the candidate for president so his choices are a lot more important.

[tricky]

Originally Posted by e-brake

Well if thats the real issue we need to worry about we cant vote for Obama because he voted for FISA. Biden just wants to be VP, Obama is the candidate for president so his choices are a lot more important.

We're talking about the VP in this thread so lets get back to that issue. ...Obama had to vote for FISA due to this being an election year and being seen weak on security. His administration sure as hell won't be pulling the shit bush&co and adding Biden who opposed FISA and the MCA will help. But you keep posting these whinyass stoner/rave shit and it's pathetic compared to the big fucking issues out there.

[PETA]

Originally Posted by tricky

We're talking about the VP in this thread so lets get back to that issue. ...Obama had to vote for FISA due to this being an election year and being seen weak on security. His administration sure as hell won't be pulling the shit bush&co and adding Biden who opposed FISA and the MCA will help. But you keep posting these whinyass stoner/rave shit and it's pathetic compared to the big fucking issues out there.

He's seen as weak on security because he's weak on security. His selection of Biden is an admission that he's weak on security.

[e-brake]

Originally Posted by tricky

We're talking about the VP in this thread so lets get back to that issue. ...Obama had to vote for FISA due to this being an election year and being seen weak on security. His administration sure as hell won't be pulling the shit bush&co and adding Biden who opposed FISA and the MCA will help. But you keep posting these whinyass stoner/rave shit and it's pathetic compared to the big fucking issues out there.

lol your the one saying that we should be ok with Biden because of a symbolic vote, when the real candidate himself voted the oposite direction because of the very same symbolic vote. This isnt exactly apples and oranges here.

[tricky]

Originally Posted by xian

He's seen as weak on security because he's weak on security. His selection of Biden is an admission that he's weak on security.

or an admission that he is aware that he is being perceived as weak on security and needs to do something about said perception like picking biden